{"id":966,"date":"2015-09-27T15:43:42","date_gmt":"2015-09-27T19:43:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/press.nbcnews.com\/?p=966"},"modified":"2015-09-27T15:43:42","modified_gmt":"2015-09-27T19:43:42","slug":"mtp-sunday-exclusive-hillary-clinton-on-email-fallout-theres-only-so-much-that-i-can-control","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nbcuniversalnewsgroup.com\/nbcnews\/2015\/09\/27\/mtp-sunday-exclusive-hillary-clinton-on-email-fallout-theres-only-so-much-that-i-can-control\/","title":{"rendered":"MTP SUNDAY EXCLUSIVE: HILLARY CLINTON ON EMAIL FALLOUT: \u201cTHERE\u2019S ONLY SO MUCH THAT I CAN CONTROL\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><strong>ALSO: Clinton on Emails: \u201cIt is like a drip, drip, drip\u201d <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Carly Fiorina Exclusively to Chuck Todd: \u201cPlanned Parenthood is aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains&#8230;That is a fact\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>New NBC News\/WSJ Poll Shows Trump &amp; Carson Virtually Tied\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>SEPT. 27, 2015 &#8212; In a Sunday exclusive interview, former Sec. of State <strong>Hillary Clinton<\/strong> told \u201cMeet the Press\u201d moderator Chuck Todd: \u201cI have done all that I can to take responsibility\u201d in reference to the email fallout that has haunted her campaign.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is like a drip, drip, drip,\u201d Clinton said. \u201cThere\u2019s only so much that I can control.\u201d Watch the full interview \u201cMeet the Press\u201d interview with Clinton: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NV9KF2\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NV9KF2<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Tune in tomorrow to MSNBC\u2019s premiere of \u201cMTP Daily,\u201d also hosted by Chuck Todd, at 5 p.m. ET for the second part of his interview with Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>Republican presidential candidate <strong>Carly Fiorina<\/strong> also exclusively joined the show, defending her comments at the last presidential debate: \u201cPlanned Parenthood is aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains and other body parts. That is a fact\u2026.And taxpayers are paying for it.\u201d Watch the full \u201cMeet the Press\u201d interview with Fiorina: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MRZ7Er\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MRZ7Er<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMeet the Press\u201d also featured a first look at <strong>new NBC News\/Wall Street Journal poll numbers<\/strong>, showing Clinton losing ground and a virtual tie between Donald Trump and Ben Carson: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KH7pIr\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KH7pIr<\/a>. The poll releases in full tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>Papal biographer <strong>George Weigel<\/strong> joined the show to discuss Pope Francis\u2019 historic visit to the United States, and a roundtable discussion included <strong>David Brooks<\/strong> of The New York Times; NBC News\u2019 <strong>Andrea Mitchell<\/strong>; <strong>Eugene Robinson <\/strong>of The Washington Post; and CNBC\u2019s <strong>Andrew Ross Sorkin<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong><u>MANDATORY CREDIT: NBC NEWS\u2019 \u201cMEET THE PRESS\u201d \u00a0<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Mandatory credit to NBC News\u2019 \u201cMeet the Press\u201d on first reference.<\/li>\n<li>The onscreen \u201cMeet the Press Exclusive\u201d credit must be clearly visible and unobstructed at all times in any image, video clip, or other form of media.<\/li>\n<li>Embedded web video must stream from the NBCNews.com media player with the unobstructed credit as described above.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Clinton on Email Fallout: \u201cThere\u2019s Only So Much That I Can Control\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OB0FTx\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OB0FTx<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, one of the things about this over the last six months, and I&#8217;ve heard from supporters, is that there&#8217;s an allegation about your email server, the campaign provides an explanation, you provide an explanation, there&#8217;s a new allegation, you have to provide a new explanation, there&#8217;s an addendum to that explanation, it has the feel of a drip, drip, drip. \u00a0Can you reassure Democrats that there&#8217;s nothing else here?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it is like a drip, drip, drip. \u00a0And that&#8217;s why I said, there&#8217;s only so much that I can control. \u00a0But what I have tried to do in explaining this is to provide more transparency and more information than absolutely that I&#8217;m aware of who&#8217;s ever served in the government, and I&#8217;m happy to do that because I want these questions to be answered.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Clinton: \u201cTotally Ridiculous\u201d That I Used Private Server to Prevent Congressional Inquiries \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KN3n24\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KN3n24<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Can you respond to an alternative explanation that has sort of circulating?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Another conspiracy theory?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, that perhaps the reason you wanted to have a private server and not a government server is that Republicans have been coming after you for years, you might have been running for president in the future, and you wanted to make it a little more difficult for congressional investigators to subpoena your government emails and a little more difficult for Freedom of Information Act requests. \u00a0Is that a fair theory or not?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s totally ridiculous. \u00a0That never crossed my mind. \u00a0And in fact, since more than 90% of my work-related emails were on the system, they are subject to FOIA or any other request. \u00a0That&#8217;s how the Benghazi committee got the emails even before we, you know, went through our exhaustive process.<\/p>\n<p>Now I have, as you&#8217;re rightly pointing, been involved from the receiving side in a lot of these accusations. \u00a0In fact, as you might remember during the &#8217;90s, there were a bunch of them. \u00a0And, you know, all of them turned out to be not true. \u00a0That was the outcome.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Clinton on Email Server Convenience: \u201cIt Was Sitting There in the Basement\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OZThjN\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OZThjN<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What I&#8217;m trying to figure out is, if you&#8217;d said in March that the email system began in March of &#8217;09, and yet we have this same email address popping up in January, explain that discrepancy.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>There was a transition period. \u00a0You know, I wasn&#8217;t that focused on my email account to be clear here.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, let me stop you here. \u00a0Because you say you weren&#8217;t focused on it, except this seemed to be, to put an email server at your house is not a&#8211; it\u2019s a complicated thing.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, but it was already there. \u00a0It had been there for years. \u00a0It is the system that my husband&#8217;s personal office used when he got out of the White House. \u00a0And so it was sitting there in the basement. \u00a0It was not any trouble at all. \u00a0I know there are a lot of people who are questioning that.<\/p>\n<p>But the fact is that it was there, I added my account to it, it apparently took a little time to do that. \u00a0And so there was about a month where I didn&#8217;t have everything already on the server and we went back, tried to, you know, recover whatever we could recover.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Clinton: Some Deleted Emails \u201cMight Be\u201d Related to Clinton Foundation<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1PHJ0qB\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1PHJ0qB<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m just curious, would anything having to do with the Clinton Foundation, would that have been personal or work?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it would depend. You know, I did not communicate with the foundation. \u00a0Other people in the State Department did. \u00a0In accordance with the rules that had been adopted.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So any of these deleted emails are not going to be foundation-related at all?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, they might be, you know, &#8220;There&#8217;s going to be a meeting,&#8221; or, &#8220;There&#8217;s this.&#8221; \u00a0But not anything that relates to the work of the State Department. \u00a0That was handled by, you know, the professionals and others in the State Department.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Clinton on Sanders: \u201cI Certainly Respect His Views\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1O2L1QM\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1O2L1QM<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But Bernie Sanders has been on the, sort of, where you are on these issues, Bernie Sanders was there when it came to marriage 20 years ago. \u00a0Do you think one of the reasons he&#8217;s doing well right now is some progressives think, &#8220;Well, you know, what, he was there when it wasn&#8217;t popular&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, he can speak for himself. \u00a0And I certainly respect his views. \u00a0I can just tell you that I am not someone who, you know, stakes out a position and holds it regardless of the evidence or regardless of the way that I perceive what&#8217;s happening in the world around me. \u00a0And as I was saying, that&#8217;s where the Republicans are.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Fiorina Defends Planned Parenthood Attack: \u201cThat Scene Absolutely Does Exist\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1YID7j0\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1YID7j0<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>That scene absolutely does exist. And that voice saying what I said they were saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to keep it alive to harvest its brain&#8221; exists as well. \u00a0Here&#8217;s the thing. \u00a0Yesterday I was at a football game&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you saw that moment on the tape?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Yes. \u00a0And I would challenge Planned Parenthood. Here&#8217;s the deal. Yesterday, I was protested by Planned Parenthood people who were throwing condoms at me. I don&#8217;t know what that has to do with this. They&#8217;re trying to distract the American people from the hideous reality that Planned Parenthood is aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains and other body parts. That is a fact.<\/p>\n<p>Planned Parenthood will not and cannot deny this because it is happening. It is happening in this nation. And taxpayers are paying for it. Planned Parenthood desperately wants everyone to think this isn&#8217;t going on. Because when Americans realize it is going on, whether they are pro-life or pro-choice, they are horrified. This goes to the character of our nation and it must be stopped.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Fiorina on Boehner\u2019s Resignation: His \u201cSeason Was Coming to an End\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1WrbdpD\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1WrbdpD<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What do you make of Speaker Boehner&#8217;s decision? Do you think he made the correct decision to step down?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well I do. I think every leader has a season. And I think John Boehner&#8217;s season was coming to an end, and he understood that. And I hope now that we will move on and have leadership in both the House and the Senate that will produce results. I think leaders produce results. And I think Republicans are quite frustrated, having worked very hard, to restore historic majorities to the House and a majority to the Senate, but there haven&#8217;t been a lot of results.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Fiorina: \u201cWe Saved 80,000 Jobs\u201d When I Led Hewlett-Packard <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>WATCH: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OB5Fau\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OB5Fau<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, all the Democrats who are attacking me, they&#8217;ve never created a job, they&#8217;ve never saved a job, and their policies destroy jobs, including Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s latest position on Keystone Pipeline. Look, I have run to problems all my life. It&#8217;s how you go from secretary to CEO.<\/p>\n<p>And I think people are looking for a president who will run to the problems that this nation faces. \u00a0Yes, I led HP through a very difficult time. The NASDAQ dropped 80%. Some of our strongest competitors went out of business all together, taking every job with them. We saved 80,000 jobs. \u00a0We went on to grow to 150,000 jobs. We quadrupled the growth rate of the company, quadrupled the cash flow of the company, tripled the rate of innovation of the company. And went from lagging behind to leading in every single product and every single market. I will run on that record all day long.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p>Below are highlights, video clips, and a rush transcript of today\u2019s program. Additional show video is available online at<a href=\"http:\/\/media.ne.cision.com\/l\/azagdmhr\/www.meetthepressnbc.com\/\"> www.MeetThePressNBC.com<\/a>. Join the conversation online with hashtag #MTP.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Clinton Says She\u2019s Been \u201cAs Transparent As Possible\u201d on Emails <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1QH6Vqd\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1QH6Vqd<\/a><\/li>\n<li>#comPRESSed: Clinton Interview in 1 Minute <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JwVrjF\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JwVrjF<\/a><\/li>\n<li>#comPRESSed: \u201cMeet the Press\u201d in Less Than 2 Minutes <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1h0o6XL\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1h0o6XL<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trump and Carson Virtually Tied in New Poll <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FBtiwM\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FBtiwM<\/a><\/li>\n<li>10 Questions with Chuck Todd <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KA6fBA\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1KA6fBA<\/a><\/li>\n<li>George Weigel: What the Pope\u2019s Visit Told Us About His Politics <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JwQvLI\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JwQvLI<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Full Interview with Hillary Clinton <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NV9KF2\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NV9KF2<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Full Interview with Carly Fiorina <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MRZ7Er\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MRZ7Er<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Andrew Ross Sorkin: Fiorina\u2019s Business Record is \u2018Relatively Terrible\u2019 <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FBraFj\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FBraFj<\/a><\/li>\n<li>NBC News\/WSJ Poll: 72% of GOP Voters Dissatisfied With Boehner, McConnell <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1YICINu\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1YICINu<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Boehner Couldn\u2019t Stop Obama, So Republicans Stopped Boehner <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1PHIvg7\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1PHIvg7<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This Sunday, the two leading women running for president. First, Hillary Clinton. Her emails, those sinking poll numbers and questions about whether Joe Biden will jump in. My one-on-one with the former Secretary of State. Then, Carly Fiorina. Her debate performance catapulted her into contention.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I think women all over this country heard very clearly what Mr. Trump said.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Now, how does she deal with the pressures of being a possible frontrunner? Carly Fiorina joins me live. Also, our latest presidential poll numbers for both parties. Where do the races stand this morning? Plus, who saw this coming?<\/p>\n<p>JOHN BOEHNER:<\/p>\n<p>Oh, I\u2019d say they were shocked.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>John Boehner\u2019s stunning resignation. It may be the latest sign of the civil war that\u2019s raging inside the GOP. And the pope does politics.<\/p>\n<p>POPE FRANCIS:<\/p>\n<p>God bless America.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Why this visit to the United States was like no other. And joining me this morning for insight and analysis are David Brooks of <em>The New York Times<\/em>, Andrea Mitchell of NBC News, CNBC\u2019s Andrew Ross Sorkin and Eugene Robinson of <em>The Washington Post<\/em>. Welcome to Sunday, it\u2019s <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>ANNOUNCER:<\/p>\n<p>From NBC News in Washington, this is <em>Meet the Press<\/em> with Chuck Todd.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Good Sunday morning. \u00a0And what a how we have for you today. \u00a0Hillary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, the speaker of the House resigning, Scott Walker dropped out, by the way, and we have our latest poll. \u00a0And oh yes, the pope&#8217;s in America. \u00a0To quote the character Penny Lane in the great movie <em>Almost Famous<\/em>, &#8220;It&#8217;s all happening.&#8221; \u00a0So let&#8217;s start with our new NBC News\/<em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> poll.<\/p>\n<p>Among Democrats, Hillary Clinton&#8217;s lead over Bernie Sanders is now down to just seven points, 42 to 35. \u00a0That includes Joe Biden in the race at 17. \u00a0If you take Biden out of the mix, Ms. Clinton&#8217;s lead stretches to 15 points, 53\/38. \u00a0So you see there, Biden takes a lot more from Secretary Clinton than Sanders.<\/p>\n<p>But look at this. \u00a0Back in June, Clinton&#8217;s lead over Sanders was 60 points, six zero, 75 to 15. \u00a0Quite a dramatic change in just three months. \u00a0We&#8217;ll have the Republican numbers later in the show. \u00a0But let&#8217;s get right to our first guest and a &#8220;Meet the Candidate&#8221; interview with the Democratic frontrunner, Hillary Clinton. \u00a0Madam Secretary, thank you for joining us.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you very much.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And a reminder, and I know there&#8217;s always conspiracy theories out there, there are no limitations to this interview. \u00a0You know?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>As far as I know that&#8217;s true.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Exactly. \u00a0So let&#8217;s get that out of the way. \u00a0Let me start with a piece of sound, it&#8217;s <em>Meet the Press<\/em>. \u00a0This is what you said on <em>Meet the Press<\/em> seven years ago about transparency.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Uh-huh (AFFIRM).<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON (ARCHIVE):<\/p>\n<p>I want to have a much more transparent government. \u00a0And I think we now have the tools to make that happen. \u00a0I want to have as much information about the way our government operates on the internet. \u00a0So the people who pay for it, the taxpayers of America can see that.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>A year later, ClintonEmail.com, this server started, private server. \u00a0Had every government agency head did what you did, at the State Department, there would be a lot of information that wasn&#8217;t in the public. \u00a0Do you see that now as a problem as far as the public is concerned?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, Chuck, let me make a couple of points. \u00a0First of all, as I have said very often, all of the emails that I sent were intended to be in the government systems if they were work related. \u00a0That&#8217;s why I sent them to people at their work addresses. \u00a0And, you know, the vast majority of them ended up there.<\/p>\n<p>So I have said also that if I had to do it all over again, I would&#8217;ve used a separate email account. \u00a0I did it for convenience and it turned out not to be that at all. \u00a0But the bottom line is, my emails were predominately in the State Department system or on other government servers. \u00a0And then I said, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to give them all,&#8221; after a very careful review, and I did so.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0I want to unpack a couple of things here. \u00a0But let me start with just the news of this week. \u00a0You had said in a written statement under oath that you had turned over everything that you believed you had for the federal records with those 55,000 emails.<\/p>\n<p>But we have now discovered an email chain between then General Petraeus and yourself that took place a couple of months before these records started. \u00a0Can you explain the discrepancy there? \u00a0Because it was the same email address that you used while at State that you were using with General Petraeus just two months before you had said everything was out there.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, everything that we had access to was certainly out there. \u00a0And the reason we know about the email chain with General Petraeus is because it was on a government server. \u00a0And so from my perspective, we have a very thorough review process that we conducted. \u00a0And my attorneys supervised it, they went through everything. \u00a0And what we had available at the time was turned over.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But I guess what I&#8217;m trying to figure out is, if you&#8217;d said in March that the email system began in March of &#8217;09, and yet we have this same email address popping up in January, explain that discrepancy.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>There was a transition period. \u00a0You know, I wasn&#8217;t that focused on my email account to be clear here.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, let me stop you here. \u00a0Because you say you weren&#8217;t focused on it, except this seemed to be, to put an email server at your house is not a&#8211; it\u2019s a complicated thing.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, but it was already there. \u00a0It had been there for years. \u00a0It is the system that my husband&#8217;s personal office used when he got out of the White House. \u00a0And so it was sitting there in the basement. \u00a0It was not any trouble at all. \u00a0I know there are a lot of people who are questioning that.<\/p>\n<p>But the fact is that it was there, I added my account to it, it apparently took a little time to do that. \u00a0And so there was about a month where I didn&#8217;t have everything already on the server and we went back, tried to, you know, recover whatever we could recover. \u00a0And I think it&#8217;s also fair to say that, you know, there are some things about this that I just can&#8217;t control.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t control the technical aspects of it. \u00a0I&#8217;m not by any means a technical expert. \u00a0I relied on people who were. \u00a0And we have done everything we could in response to the State Department asking us to do this review because they asked all the former secretaries. \u00a0And the reason they asked, Chuck, is because they found gaps in their own recordkeeping. \u00a0You know, my assumption, because this system was there before I became secretary, it was there when I left, my assumption was anything that I sent to a .gov account would be captured.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But, you know, that&#8217;s very difficult to capture all of your emails by going through to perhaps thousands of people and their .gov accounts. \u00a0It would&#8217;ve been a lot easier if it was sent to your .gov account.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, but when you communicate with people in other parts of the government, you&#8217;re not sending it to TheStateDepartment.gov. \u00a0And that would&#8217;ve been true either way. \u00a0Look, I think I have done all that I can to, you know, take responsibility, to be as transparent as possible in turning over 55,000 pages, in turning over my server, and to, you know, testify on October 22nd, which I&#8217;ve been asking to do before the Congress.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You had said just now in one of your explanations that you provided these records because State asked of all secretaries to tape. \u00a0Now, as you know, there was a report earlier this week in <em>The Washington Post<\/em> that said, &#8220;That isn&#8217;t quite how it happened.&#8221; \u00a0In the summer of 2014, they discovered the discrepancy with your records, and they wanted to make a request. \u00a0And then it became a formal request of the last four secretaries of State. \u00a0Can you explain that discrepancy?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we have explained that. \u00a0The campaign has explained it.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What is it?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, look. \u00a0When the committee, the I think eighth or ninth committee, investigating Benghazi asked for information from the State Department, you know, they were doing a survey. \u00a0And they found discrepancies in their recordkeeping. \u00a0Not in my records, per se, but in their overall recordkeeping. \u00a0There were gaps. \u00a0And that&#8217;s why they sent the letter.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s why we did the overall, you know, comprehensive search for everything. \u00a0And it got us to the same place. \u00a0We looked through everything. \u00a0We gave them everything work related. \u00a0In fact, we gave them so much, they&#8217;ve already told us they&#8217;re sending back 1,200 because they were clearly personal and not 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process.<\/p>\n<p>Now I have, as you&#8217;re rightly pointing out, been involved from the receiving side in a lot of these accusations. \u00a0In fact, as you might remember during the &#8217;90s, there were a bunch of them. \u00a0And, you know, all of them turned out to be not true. \u00a0That was the outcome. \u00a0And when I ran for the Senate, the voters of New York, they overlooked all of that and they looked at my record, and they looked at what I would do for them, and I was elected senator after going through years of this kind of back and forth. \u00a0And it is, you know, it&#8217;s regrettable, but it&#8217;s part of the system.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, one of the things about this over the last six months, and I&#8217;ve heard from supporters, is that there&#8217;s an allegation about your email server, the campaign provides an explanation, you provide an explanation, there&#8217;s a new allegation, you have to provide a new explanation, there&#8217;s an 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TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Can you say with 100% certainty that the deleted emails that the F.B.I.&#8217;s not going to find anything in there that&#8217;s going to cause you to have to explain again?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>All I can tell you is that when my attorneys conducted this exhaustive process, I did not participate.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Why? \u00a0Why?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t look at them.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I would want to know what emails.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>No.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t you want to know?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>I wanted them to be as clear in their process as possible. \u00a0I didn&#8217;t want to be looking over their shoulder. \u00a0If they thought it was work-related, it would go to the State Department. \u00a0If not, then it would not. \u00a0And as I just said, over 1,200 of the emails that we were overly inclusive in trying to be comprehensive, the State Department&#8217;s already said, &#8220;We don&#8217;t want these. \u00a0These are personal. \u00a0These aren&#8217;t work-related.&#8221; \u00a0They&#8217;re sending them back.<\/p>\n<p>So when that process finished, you know, my attorney said, &#8220;Well, what do you want us to do with all these personal emails?&#8221; \u00a0I said, &#8220;Well, I don&#8217;t need to keep them. \u00a0I don&#8217;t need them or want them.&#8221; \u00a0So they then talked to the IT server, the technical people who were responsible for maintaining them and said, &#8220;You know, we don&#8217;t need them anymore.&#8221; \u00a0That&#8217;s the limit of my knowledge. \u00a0And I know I was a little sarcastic in one exchange with the press.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Fair enough.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>For which I, you know, I&#8217;m sorry guys. \u00a0But, you know, I&#8217;m not a technical expert. \u00a0I just said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t need them.&#8221; \u00a0Whatever happened to them happened to them. \u00a0And I&#8217;m, you know, very sure that my attorneys did the most meticulous job that could&#8217;ve been done.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m just curious, would anything having to do with the Clinton Foundation, would that have been personal or work?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it would depend. You know, I did not communicate with the foundation. \u00a0Other people in the State Department did. \u00a0In accordance with the rules that had been adopted.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So any of these deleted emails are not going to be foundation-related at all?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, they might be, you know, &#8220;There&#8217;s going to be a meeting,&#8221; or, &#8220;There&#8217;s this.&#8221; \u00a0But not anything that relates to the work of the State Department. \u00a0That was handled by, you know, the professionals and others in the State Department.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0Let me sort of move on from this just a little bit. \u00a0And I say sort of move on because obviously you&#8217;ve taken a hit in the polls.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>I have.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This New Hampshire poll, I mean, do you believe you have explained this and that there aren&#8217;t any contradictions here. \u00a0So is the issue not truthfulness, but the issue of how you&#8217;ve handled it?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, you know, let me say this, Chuck. \u00a0I have tried to the best of my ability to be able to respond. \u00a0And if people are uncertain, if they have concerns about these questions about the emails, it is their choice to say, &#8220;That&#8217;s going to influence, you know, how I think about the election?&#8221; \u00a0I understand that, I get it.<\/p>\n<p>But I also hope people will look at my lifelong advocacy for kids and families and women and look at what I&#8217;m proposing, the vision I have for the country to move forward on everything from raising incomes, to equal pay for equal work, to getting the cost of college down, to dealing with high prescription drug costs. \u00a0That&#8217;s what I hope people focus on. \u00a0And people get to make their minds up. \u00a0That&#8217;s the beauty of our process. \u00a0People can decide on whatever basis they choose.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Is this trust deficit, your husband did an interview on CNN. \u00a0And he basically put it all on the Republicans and a little bit us on the press that this whole thing that has driven down your poll numbers. \u00a0Do you bear any responsibility?<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, first of all, you know, I love my husband, and you know, he does get upset when I am attacked. \u00a0I totally get that. \u00a0But we also get the fact that look, this is a contest. \u00a0And it&#8217;s fair game for people to raise whatever they choose to raise. \u00a0As he said I think in that same interview, you know, &#8220;They&#8217;re not giving this job away.&#8221; \u00a0You have to get out there, you have to earn it.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to do. \u00a0And of course I take responsibility. \u00a0It was my choice. \u00a0It was a mistake back when I did it. \u00a0And I&#8217;m trying to do the best I can to answer all of the questions that people have. \u00a0And as I said, during the &#8217;90s, I was subjected to the same kind of barrage. \u00a0And it was, it seemed to be at the time, endless. \u00a0And then when I ran for the Senate, people said, &#8220;Hey, we are more concerned about what you&#8217;re going to do for us.&#8221; \u00a0And I trust the voters to make that decision this time around too.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0I want to play a little comp we put together of some of the positions where your positions have changed a little bit. \u00a0Take a look.<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON (ARCHIVE):<\/p>\n<p>So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interest of our nation. \u00a0I&#8217;ve made it very clear that I made a mistake. \u00a0Plain and simple. \u00a0I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. \u00a0This morning, love triumphed in the highest court in our land.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve not yet signed off on it, but we are inclined to do so. \u00a0We&#8217;re either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dependent on dirty oil from Canada. \u00a0I oppose it and I oppose it because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s in the best interest of what we need to do to combat climate change.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>How do you respond to some critics who say, you know, &#8220;Your positions have changed out of political expediency.&#8221; \u00a0That you&#8217;re sort of whatever the majority is at that time, that&#8217;s the position you have.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I just don&#8217;t think that reflects either my assessment of issues, and I don&#8217;t think it reflects how people who are thoughtful actually conduct their lives. \u00a0I mean, if we don&#8217;t learn, if we don&#8217;t, you know, make decisions based on the best information we have available, well, you know, that&#8217;s regrettable. \u00a0And what I&#8217;ve always tried to do is to say, &#8220;Okay, what is the best decision that I can think about making?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Now, with those that you did, you know, number one on the Iraq War vote, I&#8217;ve written about it, I&#8217;ve talked about it, I said it was a mistake. \u00a0It certainly became a very clear mistake when you saw the way the Bush Administration conducted that war and the decisions that they made.<\/p>\n<p>And so I have been very forthright in saying, you know, &#8220;As I looked at what was happening, it was a mistake.&#8221; \u00a0On same-sex marriage, like a lot of people, including our president, I did evolve. \u00a0And I was not raised to even imagine this. \u00a0And I&#8217;m thrilled now that it is the law of the land. \u00a0And I have a lot of good friends who are now able to be married because of the changes we&#8217;ve made legally and constitutionally.<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to Keystone, you know, I was at the beginning of the process of trying to evaluate what was the best outcome. \u00a0I did feel that I shouldn&#8217;t jump in before the president and Secretary Kerry and make my views known, because they&#8217;re still in the middle of that process.<\/p>\n<p>But it was, frankly, uncomfortable to have so many people asking me and my saying, you know, I&#8217;m waiting and waiting and waiting, and it still hasn&#8217;t happened. \u00a0I don&#8217;t know when it will happen. \u00a0It may have to happen when I&#8217;m president, I hope. \u00a0So I&#8217;ve said, &#8220;Look, I&#8217;m against it.&#8221; \u00a0On the total evaluation, when I made that statement years ago, we did not have the kind of energy profile that we now have.<\/p>\n<p>We did not have the full understanding of how the particular oil that would have been extracted from those tar sands was of a different degree of dirtiness and polluting in terms of greenhouse gasses. \u00a0So, you know, I&#8217;m not going to sit here and tell people that I make up my mind. \u00a0That&#8217;s the Republicans. \u00a0They make up their mind. \u00a0They&#8217;re never bothered by evidence.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But Bernie Sanders has been on the, sort of, where you are on these issues, Bernie Sanders was there when it came to marriage 20 years ago. \u00a0Do you think one of the reasons he&#8217;s doing well right now is some progressives think, &#8220;Well, you know, what, he was there when it wasn&#8217;t popular.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, he can speak for himself. \u00a0And I certainly respect his views. \u00a0I can just tell you that I am not someone who, you know, stakes out a position and holds it regardless of the evidence or regardless of the way that I perceive what&#8217;s happening in the world around me. \u00a0And as I was saying, that&#8217;s where the Republicans are.<\/p>\n<p>You know, they&#8217;re still believing in trickle-down economics even though it was a disaster not once, but twice for our country. \u00a0So I want people, because I think my experience on these issues is much more reflective of how people talk to me, about how they too have evolved and moved in their understanding. \u00a0And I feel, you know, very comfortable saying that.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I have a lot more questions. \u00a0And the good news is, I have a part two interview we&#8217;re going to do for the new show, my new show <em>MTP Daily<\/em>. \u00a0So we will get into some foreign policy, domestic policy, a whole bunch of stuff. \u00a0Madam Secretary, thanks for coming back on <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you. \u00a0Glad to be here.<\/p>\n<p>**COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Earlier, we shared our new numbers on the Democratic race from our new NBC News\/<em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> poll. \u00a0Now to where the Republican race stands this morning. \u00a0And yes, things are getting tighter on that side of the aisle. \u00a0Donald Trump and Ben Carson are essentially tied at the top, Trump at 21, Carson at 20. \u00a0Then two more in double digits are Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina tied at third with 11%.<\/p>\n<p>They&#8217;re followed in high single digit by Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and Ted Cruz. \u00a0No one else. \u00a0If you don&#8217;t see your candidate there, it means they didn&#8217;t even top 3%. \u00a0And when you compare these numbers, by the way, to where we were in July, you can see that Carson, Rubio, and Kasich, all have doubled their support.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, Bush and Cruz saw their support cut in half. \u00a0And by the way, there&#8217;s a name you don&#8217;t see on the board at all. \u00a0It was Scott Walker in July. \u00a0Walker was in second place alone at 15%. \u00a0And of course, he dropped out of the race less than a week ago. \u00a0Another big change is for Carly Fiorina. \u00a0She literally came from nothing. \u00a0She was at zero, to where she is today, tied for third. \u00a0And Carly Fiorina joins me right after the break.<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK * * *<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Welcome back, given her performance in the two Republican debates that Carly Fiorina has participated in, her rise in our new polls should not be a surprise and she joins me now after campaigning in Iowa this weekend. \u00a0She&#8217;s been in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. \u00a0Carly Fiorina, welcome back to <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Good morning, Chuck. \u00a0Thanks for having me.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You got it. \u00a0Let me start right in with the Planned Parenthood situation. \u00a0At the debate, the most recent debate, you described the following scene, claiming it was on a tape: \u00a0&#8220;A fully-formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, &#8216;We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.'&#8221; Since then, when asked about the claim, your campaign has attacked Planned Parenthood, but there is no tape. There is no evidence that the scene you described exists. \u00a0Are you willing now to concede that you exaggerated that scene?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>No, not at all. \u00a0That scene absolutely does exist. And that voice saying what I said they were saying, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to keep it alive to harvest its brain&#8221; exists as well. \u00a0Here&#8217;s the thing. \u00a0Yesterday I was at a football game&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you saw that moment on the tape?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Yes. \u00a0And I would challenge Planned Parenthood. Here&#8217;s the deal. Yesterday, I was protested by Planned Parenthood people who were throwing condoms at me. I don&#8217;t know what that has to do with this. They&#8217;re trying to distract the American people from the hideous reality that Planned Parenthood is aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains and other body parts. That is a fact.<\/p>\n<p>Planned Parenthood will not and cannot deny this because it is happening. It is happening in this nation. And taxpayers are paying for it. Planned Parenthood desperately wants everyone to think this isn&#8217;t going on. Because when Americans realize it is going on, whether they are pro-life or pro-choice, they are horrified. This goes to the character of our nation and it must be stopped.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, the footage you describe at best is a reenactment. The people even&#8211; the people that made the videos admit it&#8217;s stock footage. Yet, you went right along and said, &#8220;It&#8217;s Planned Parenthood.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Do you think this is not happening? Does Hillary Clinton think this is not happening? So sad that you missed the opportunity to ask Mrs. Clinton why she said, &#8220;Late-term abortions were only performed for medical purposes.&#8221; That is patently false. This is happening in America today. And taxpayers are paying for it. That is a fact. It is a reality. And no one can run away from it.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But you are sort of ducking the video, the specific of this question. And I guess I&#8217;m trying, because let me tell you what a <em>Washington Post&#8211;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I am not&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;a Washington Post editorial this morning&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I am not ducking&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>A <em>Washington Post<\/em> editorial is calling it a &#8220;full-fledged falsehood on Ms. Fiorina.&#8221; They said, &#8220;Why would you&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Okay, well you know what? \u00a0In Washington&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>They said that it doesn&#8217;t excuse your mistruth. They said they understand you have a deeply-held belief on abortion, but that you&#8217;re exaggerating this specific claim.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>No, no. Well, first of all the <em>Washington Post<\/em> also claims that I am lying about being a secretary. \u00a0So let&#8217;s get real. I mean, I don&#8217;t even know how to deal with that. I was a secretary part-time to put myself through college, and full-time after I graduated. <em>The Washington Post<\/em> gave me three Pinocchios for claiming that I was a secretary.<\/p>\n<p>So honestly, I don&#8217;t think <em>The Washington Post<\/em> has a lot of credibility here. This is not about being pro-life or pro-choice. It is certainly not about birth control. It is not even about women&#8217;s health. It is about the character of our nation. No one can deny this is happening because it is happening.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you believe this is still something that Republicans in Congress should force a government shutdown over and have this showdown with the president?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I believe if the president of the United States and Democrats are willing to stand up and defend for what is roughly $500 million to $600 million line item in a budget, if they are willing to stand up and defend this practice and shut down the government over it, then let them explain it to the American people. Let them explain it.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you want the showdown? You want this? You think Republican leaders in Congress should force this showdown?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I believe there are a variety of ways to deal with this. \u00a0But I believe this is something we must stand up and fight for. Because it is about the character of our nation. Taxpayers are funding this activity. \u00a0And not only that, not only are taxpayers having to fund this butchery, but Planned Parenthood doles out millions of dollars every single election cycle to Democrat candidates. This is a political slush fund on top of being butchery that Americans, again, whether they&#8217;re pro-life or pro-choice, cannot support.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you believe any of the money Planned Parenthood uses is for good, from the federal government?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure it is. I&#8217;m sure it is. But you know what I find amazing? The hypocrisy of Democrats who stand up and oppose every time taxpayer funding for, say, pregnancy centers, that are also very much focused on women&#8217;s health, but no, Democrats don&#8217;t want taxpayer funding for pregnancy centers.<\/p>\n<p>I just visited one in South Carolina. They are all privately funded. This is hypocrisy on Democrats&#8217; part. This is about a political slush fund. It is about the character of our nation. And yes, we should stand up and fight on this issue.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>In 2010, in your Senate race, you called Roe v. Wade a decided issue. You have since said you would work to overturn it. What changed your mind?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well, you know, here&#8217;s the thing. We are finding common ground. People&#8217;s views evolve on all kinds of things. And the American people&#8217;s views have evolved on this. So let&#8217;s just take one example. The majority of women, the majority of young people, the majority of Americans now believe that abortion for any reason at all after five months is wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Just as they believe that the butchery of live fetuses for body parts is wrong. So I think we ought to pass the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act now. It is good politics. It is also good policy. \u00a0And shame on Democrats who stood and blocked it because the majority of Americans now disagree with where Democrats are. The Democrat policy is it is not a life until it leaves the hospital. The vast majority of Americans oppose that policy.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me play for you, there&#8217;s some concerns with some Republicans, as excited as they are about your candidacy, that they&#8217;re concerned your time at HP is going to be a liability a la Mitt Romney. \u00a0Let me play for you an ad Barbara Boxer used against you and ask you to respond on the other side.<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>ANNOUNCER (IN AD):<\/p>\n<p>As the CEO of HP, Carly Fiorina laid off 30,000 workers.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA (IN AD):<\/p>\n<p>When you&#8217;re talking about massive layoffs, which we did, perhaps the work needs to be done somewhere else.<\/p>\n<p>ANNOUNCER (IN AD):<\/p>\n<p>And while Californians lost their jobs, Fiorina tripled her salary, bought a million-dollar yacht, and five corporate jets.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Can you reassure Republicans who are still shell-shocked over what the Obama campaign was effectively able to do to Mitt Romney on the issue of layoffs, that that won&#8217;t happen to you? When Barbara Boxer played that ad, her lead grew.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, you know, I find it very rich. Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, all the Democrats who are attacking me, they&#8217;ve never created a job, they&#8217;ve never saved a job, and their policies destroy jobs, including Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s latest position on Keystone Pipeline. Look, I have run to problems all my life. It&#8217;s how you go from secretary to CEO.<\/p>\n<p>And I think people are looking for a president who will run to the problems that this nation faces. \u00a0Yes, I led HP through a very difficult time. The NASDAQ dropped 80%. Some of our strongest competitors went out of business all together, taking every job with them. We saved 80,000 jobs. \u00a0We went on to grow to 150,000 jobs. We quadrupled the growth rate of the company, quadrupled the cash flow of the company, tripled the rate of innovation of the company. And went from lagging behind to leading in every single product and every single market. I will run on that record all day long.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You don&#8217;t think it will be a liability? I mean, at the end of the day, the jobs you&#8217;re talking about that grew and expanded were jobs overseas after the HP\/Compaq.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>No, that is false, that is false, that is false.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>There were no American jobs. \u00a0No?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>That is false, Chuck. That is false. You know, here&#8217;s the thing about business. Politicians can spin words. But in business, you actually have a record of results. And in fact, I had to stand up and report those results every single quarter. And if I misrepresented our results in any way over a six-year period, or misrepresented our projections, I could be held criminally liable.<\/p>\n<p>Imagine if any other candidate running for president was held to that same account. There were many jobs that left California. And you know where they went? To the state of Texas. Because the state of Texas had a set of policies in place that made job creation and job salvation easier than the state of California.<\/p>\n<p>This is what Democrats always want to talk about. They want to slam job creators. But the truth is, Democrat policies, the ones that Bernie Sanders, the ones that Hillary Clinton, and the ones that Barbara Boxer pursue destroy jobs all day long.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Steve Rattner, in an op-ed in <em>The New York Times<\/em> noted that one of the things you have used to defend your time at HP and defend being fired is that people like Steve Jobs had been fired in the past, and there were other successful, eventual successful CEOs. But he asked this question in there: Why didn&#8217;t another company hire you as a CEO? Why didn&#8217;t you have another full-time job in the private sector after you left HP?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Oh, well, Steve Rattner, you know, a political operative masquerading as a business analyst, we have a couple others of those as well. Because I didn&#8217;t want to go back to work as a CEO. That&#8217;s why. Because I had done that. Because I had been in a very high-pressured&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Had you been recruited?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;chief executive job for&#8211;Yes. I was offered many jobs as a CEO in the Bush Administration, I wanted a break. And then I wanted to give back. And so over time, I became the chairman of two charities in this nation, work of which I&#8217;m also very proud. I advised the C.I.A. as the chairman of the advisory board, I advised two secretaries of Defense, a secretary of Homeland Security. I believed it was time for me to use my experience in other realms, whether it was policy or government or charity.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What do you make of Speaker Boehner&#8217;s decision? Do you think he made the correct decision to step down?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well I do. I think every leader has a season. And I think John Boehner&#8217;s season was coming to an end, and he understood that. And I hope now that we will move on and have leadership in both the House and the Senate that will produce results. I think leaders produce results. And I think Republicans are quite frustrated, having worked very hard, to restore historic majorities to the House and a majority to the Senate, but there haven&#8217;t been a lot of results.<\/p>\n<p>And so I&#8217;ve asked for three very specific things: one, pass a border security bill. \u00a0Two, pass the REINS act, which would give Congress the authority to oversee all of these rules that are rolling out of the administration. \u00a0Of course, we talked about defunding Planned Parenthood, and it would be great, actually if the House and the Senate would pass the bills that deny finally the special exemptions they get from ObamaCare.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Is Mitch McConnell leading in the right way on the Senate side of things?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we will see. He has been a leader for a very short period of time. Not even one session. \u00a0Leaders produce results.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Is he producing results?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we&#8217;ll see.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So I take it not yet? Or you&#8217;re, &#8220;to be continued&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I think we will see.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Fair enough. Carly Fiorina, stay safe on the campaign trail. Thanks for coming back to <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>CARLY FIORINA:<\/p>\n<p>Thanks, Chuck.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You got it. Coming up, we&#8217;ll get reaction from our panel, Brooks, Mitchell, Sorkin, and Robinson. \u00a0It\u2019s a great panel to discuss everything we have heard this morning. \u00a0So stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK* * *<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, so much to get to on this very busy Sunday. \u00a0It&#8217;s been a busy week. \u00a0We&#8217;ll have reaction to the big interviews with Hillary Clinton and Carly Fiorina. \u00a0Plus, what in any other week could&#8217;ve been our lead story this morning, Speaker Boehner says goodbye. \u00a0Conservatives in Congress got their scalp, but at what cost? \u00a0Back with the panel in a moment.<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK* * *<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And we are back, lots to discuss, Hillary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, and of course, the news that shocked Washington on Friday John Boehner&#8217;s sudden announcement that he&#8217;s stepping down as speaker. \u00a0The panel is here. \u00a0David Brooks from <em>The New York Times<\/em>, Andrea Mitchell, NBC&#8217;s chief foreign affairs correspondent, who of course is covering Hillary Clinton&#8217;s campaign for us, Andrew Ross Sorkin of <em>The New York Times<\/em> and co-host of CNBC&#8217;s <em>Squawk Box<\/em>, celebrating 20 years.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREW ROSS SORKIN:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you, sir.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You haven&#8217;t been there 20 years.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREW ROSS SORKIN:<\/p>\n<p>I have not been there.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And Eugene Robinson of <em>The Washington Post<\/em> who I think actually has been at <em>The Post <\/em>for 20 years.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>A little bit more than that, but let&#8217;s not&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll just say it. \u00a0Alright. \u00a0I&#8217;ve done enough talking. \u00a0Let&#8217;s start with the Hillary Clinton interview, your first reactions, Andrea.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>Well, she is carefully saying that I&#8217;m not an IT person, I&#8217;m not technical, we know that about her. \u00a0It was the IT people, it was the lawyers who decided which emails to delete, which to turn over. \u00a0So she&#8217;s building in deniability her, her affect, her lack of, oh you know, an adversarial, contentious interview, striking in, you know, a different tone from Hillary Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>But she&#8217;s basically not dealing with the question that there is this continued drip, drip, drip. \u00a0And she cannot get to the policies that she wants to talk about. She tries to pivot to it. She does in your interview later and tomorrow. But she can&#8217;t, this is all, you know, shadowing, overshadowing what she really wants to be talking about. And that is the reason why she is hurting in the polls.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right. David, and when we have these poll numbers, I mean, it&#8217;s down 16 points in New Hampshire. \u00a0Her favorable ratings have been a continued slide.<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, well she was having a little more fun today. \u00a0Sometimes she&#8217;s campaigning like she&#8217;s in Napoleon&#8217;s march on Moscow, just like a trudge through the winter. This was a little more upbeat, a little more fun. But she&#8217;s still in her own bubble. Not where the country is, but it\u2019s sort of in the Clinton bubble \u00a0And finally, as Andrea said, she spent her entire political career on the defensive, whether it was the Rose law firm, whether it was Benghazi, whether it was her husband&#8217;s shenanigans.<\/p>\n<p>She&#8217;s basically has a defensive posture. And that means she&#8217;s erecting walls, not trusting people, and there&#8217;s no romance. People, especially this year, they want a little romance, they want a lot of ideological action going outward. But she&#8217;s on the defensive. And so that&#8217;s the core problem. It&#8217;s not the emails. Nobody&#8217;s going to disqualify her as president because she used one server versus another. That&#8217;s not a real scandal. It&#8217;s her attitude.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Gene, you want to pick up on that?<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, yeah, I&#8217;ll pick up on that. I kind of agree with you, David, but I see it somewhat differently. I think if I were with the Clinton campaign, I would be very pleased with that appearance. Because you asked her very tough questions. You stayed on the email scandal. You kind of took her through it. And I thought that was her best presentation on that subject by far so far.<\/p>\n<p>Because of her effect, because of the way she kind of smilingly went through it. It was, she was able to be, she seemed less sort of defensive, crouchish to me today. \u00a0More open, more willing just to, you know, &#8220;As long as you want to talk about it, Chuck, let&#8217;s talk about it.&#8221; \u00a0I thought that was the best she&#8217;s done on that issue.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Andrea, let&#8217;s pivot here to Carly Fiorina. \u00a0You&#8217;ve been a tough critic of hers yourself. \u00a0Can she get elected president with her HP record?<\/p>\n<p>ANDREW ROSS SORKIN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, the question is whether the public cares about her HP record. \u00a0But if you do care, and I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a narrow question or not, about her record, it&#8217;s a bad record. \u00a0She talks about it in this very relative way, relative to where things were at the time. \u00a0But even relatively, it was relatively terrible.<\/p>\n<p>And she talks about it empirically. \u00a0She lost $60 billion of investors&#8217; money at the time. \u00a0That&#8217;s empirical. \u00a0That&#8217;s right there. \u00a0You know, she says, there\u2019s a repor&#8211; &#8220;In business, there&#8217;s a report card.&#8221; \u00a0That is her report card. \u00a0And even if we were to look at it and say, &#8220;Okay, so what happened at IBM, what happened at Dell,&#8221; by orders of magnitude worse, and even more so, when you think about politics, she&#8217;s out here selling something.<\/p>\n<p>When she was the CEO of HP, she sold something and she told investors targets, what she was going to do. \u00a0And she missed them. \u00a0She missed them repeatedly to the score of, by the way, of $2.4 billion in missed targets. \u00a0So now, whether the public actually cares about those numbers, that&#8217;s a very different question.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>David, where she showed passion is not, like, she is not accepting any of the fact checks on this Planned Parenthood thing. \u00a0And she really doesn\u2019t want to, you know, she&#8217;s basically saying, &#8220;The details don&#8217;t matter. \u00a0You should be outraged.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, well, to Andrew&#8217;s point, it&#8217;s not quite clear that reality matters to the electorate right now. \u00a0And I think that&#8217;s true with Trump, it&#8217;s true with her, there are some people that are great campaigners, and some people that are actually good in reality. \u00a0And so far the good in reality people are not doing so well in the polls.<\/p>\n<p>I think Jeb Bush falls into that category as a bad campaigner. \u00a0She&#8217;s aggressive. I do &#8211; \u00a0I mean, it was interesting to me to watch the Clinton interview and the Fiorina interview. \u00a0Clinton, I agree with Gene, she answered every question very clearly. \u00a0Fiorina does not accept the concept that she should answer these questions. \u00a0She&#8217;s on the offensive. \u00a0She&#8217;s throwing blows. \u00a0No matter what you ask her, she&#8217;s throwing blows to the Democrats. \u00a0And she&#8217;s just permanent offense.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Which may explain why she&#8217;s getting a moment.<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s where the country is. \u00a0That&#8217;s the ethos of the country right now.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Certainly with Republican primary voter is.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>But let&#8217;s face facts here. \u00a0The facts are also that that fetus was from a Pennsylvania miscarriage. \u00a0That fetus had nothing to do with Planned Parenthood. \u00a0And Planned Parenthood does not get federal money for abortions, period. \u00a0Abortions are 3% of their work. \u00a0The rest is women&#8217;s healthcare. \u00a0Now that said, you&#8217;re absolutely right. \u00a0Carly Fiorina is in tune with the mood of the electorate. \u00a0The electorate, actually in both political parties.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Is Hillary Clinton in tune with the mood of the electorate?<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>Not so far. \u00a0Not so far. \u00a0She&#8217;s not angry enough. She\u2019s not&#8211; And it&#8217;s hard for her to be angry because then you&#8217;ve got, you know, Donald Trump saying, &#8220;She&#8217;s shrill,&#8221; which is a sexist word,let\u2019s face it. \u00a0But she has to get around that. \u00a0But the anger, the passion is all on people going on the attack, whether it&#8217;s, you know, whether it&#8217;s Donald Trump, whether it&#8217;s Carly Fiorina, or whether it&#8217;s Bernie Sanders.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And by the way, and this is the mood. \u00a0And this is the electorate that just forced John Boehner out of his job.<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, but I was actually floored by that though because she simply would not deal with the factual issue. \u00a0She would not deal with the issue that she has misrepresented the facts about that video. \u00a0And you correctly told her what the facts are. \u00a0And she simply wouldn&#8217;t deal with it. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think you can continue to do that on a specific issue time after time after time, because people are going to keep bringing it up until you acknowledge that well yes, these are the facts. \u00a0She wouldn&#8217;t even acknowledge that fact.<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>You seem to think the laws of gravity are applying this year. \u00a0But so far, they haven&#8217;t applied.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it&#8217;s funny you say that&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;I do forget, I do forget<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Can I just tell you that Bill Kristol wrote this great column yesterday where he basically said, you know, Everybody has predicted that things are going to revert to norm. \u00a0Hillary Clinton&#8217;s going to be the nominee, Biden isn&#8217;t going to run, Jeb Bush will probably end up as the nominee and these outsiders will go away. \u00a0And yet, who three weeks ago would&#8217;ve predicted, as he writes, that Scott Walker would drop out and Speaker Boehner would resign in the same week. \u00a0David Brooks?<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, no I, I think the laws of gravity will come back.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you?<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>Like, I&#8217;ll step on the scale and it\u2019ll still say the same, the same damn number!<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I think so too, but I\u2019m afraid of it! I\u2019m afraid of that scale.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>But I think the headline out of our poll today is Marco Rubio. \u00a0Marco Rubio is now tied with Carly Fiorina. \u00a0And he&#8217;s moving on up.<\/p>\n<p>DAVID BROOKS:<\/p>\n<p>I would say that the two key things in the polls, Ted Cruz so far has not become the next Trump. \u00a0He&#8217;s not inheriting anything yet from Trump.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s not the outsider candidate for some reason. 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