{"id":905,"date":"2015-08-16T18:27:26","date_gmt":"2015-08-16T22:27:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/press.nbcnews.com\/?p=905"},"modified":"2015-08-16T18:27:26","modified_gmt":"2015-08-16T22:27:26","slug":"mtp-sunday-exclusive-trump-miracle-if-hillary-clinton-is-able-to-continue-presidential-campaign-sen-sanders-on-possible-biden-run","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nbcuniversalnewsgroup.com\/nbcnews\/2015\/08\/16\/mtp-sunday-exclusive-trump-miracle-if-hillary-clinton-is-able-to-continue-presidential-campaign-sen-sanders-on-possible-biden-run\/","title":{"rendered":"MTP SUNDAY EXCLUSIVE: TRUMP: \u201cMIRACLE\u201d IF HILLARY CLINTON IS ABLE TO CONTINUE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN; SEN. SANDERS ON POSSIBLE BIDEN RUN"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><strong>Donald Trump to Chuck Todd on who he talks to for military advice right now: \u201cI watch the shows.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Trump on Iran nuclear deal: \u201cThey are going to have nuclear weapons. \u00a0They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldn&#8217;t believe. \u00a0And I think it&#8217;s going to lead to nuclear holocaust.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Sen. Bernie Sanders on possible Biden run: \u201cI promise him an issue-oriented campaign.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Sen. Sanders on campaign outreach to Black Lives Matter activists: \u201cThis was sent out without my knowledge.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>AUGUST 16, 2015 &#8212; In a wide-ranging, sit-down interview, Republican presidential frontrunner <strong>Donald Trump<\/strong> exclusively tells \u201cMeet the Press\u201d moderator Chuck Todd that it would be a \u201cmiracle\u201d if Hillary Clinton is able to continue her presidential campaign in the wake of the controversy surrounding her email server.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think she may not be able to run, to be honest, because this whole email thing is a horrible thing,\u201d Trump said in his full interview with Todd.<\/p>\n<p>Democratic presidential candidate <strong>Sen. Bernie Sanders <\/strong>(I-VT) also joined \u201cMeet the Press\u201d live from Iowa, addressing rumors on a possible presidential run from Vice President Joe Biden: \u201cIf he does run, I promise him an issue-oriented campaign.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This morning\u2019s show also featured a political panel discussion with <strong>Molly Ball <\/strong>of The Atlantic; <strong>Jeff Greenfield<\/strong>, contributor to The Daily Beast and POLITICO; <strong>Eugene Robinson<\/strong> of The Washington Post; and <strong>Kimberley Strassel<\/strong> of The Wall Street Journal.<\/p>\n<p><strong><u>MANDATORY CREDIT: NBC NEWS\u2019 \u201cMEET THE PRESS\u201d<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Excerpts of the interview may be used subject to the following restrictions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Mandatory credit to NBC News\u2019 \u201cMeet the Press\u201d on first reference.<\/li>\n<li>The onscreen \u201cMeet the Press Exclusive\u201d credit must be clearly visible and unobstructed at all times in any image, video clip, or other form of media.<\/li>\n<li>Embedded web video must stream from the\u00a0<u><a href=\"http:\/\/media.ne.cision.com\/l\/pnzeqedr\/media.ne.cision.com\/l\/dvefmcfr\/www.nbcnews.com\/\">NBCNews.com\u00a0<\/a><\/u>media player with the unobstructed credit as described above.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.ne.cision.com\/l\/pnzeqedr\/facebook.com\/meetthepress\">Like the show<\/a> on Facebook, and <a href=\"https:\/\/wpyadmin.ne.cision.com\/l\/pnzeqedr\/twitter.com\/meetthepress\">follow \u201cMeet the Press\u201d<\/a> on Twitter.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO OF FULL INTERVIEW WITH DONALD TRUMP: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1Jbl0v6\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1Jbl0v6<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO OF FULL INTERVIEW WITH SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MrZDXs\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MrZDXs<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong># # # <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Trump on Hillary<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1HPEoZh\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1HPEoZh<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201c<\/strong><\/em>Nobody&#8217;s been tougher on Hillary Clinton than me. \u00a0And when Bill Clinton called me, I had already made up my decision.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNow, I think she may not be able to run, to be honest, because this whole email thing is a horrible thing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201c<\/strong><\/em>Assuming she&#8217;s able to run, which would be absolutely to me a miracle at this point, I will beat her.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><strong># # # <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Trump on ISIS<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DVudHT\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DVudHT<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u201c<\/strong><\/em>I want to take away their wealth. \u00a0And, as you know, for years I&#8217;ve been saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t go into Iraq.&#8221; \u00a0They went into Iraq. \u00a0They destabilized the Middle East. \u00a0It was a big mistake.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI said this was going to happen. I said, &#8220;Iran will take over Iraq,&#8221; which is happening as sure as you&#8217;re sitting there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cISIS is taking over a lot of the oil and certain areas of Iraq. \u00a0And I said you take away their wealth, that you go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat I would do with the money that we make, which would be tremendous, I would take care of the soldiers that were killed, the families of the soldiers that were killed, the soldiers, the wounded warriors.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><strong># # # <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Trump on Iran Nuclear Deal<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey are going to have nuclear weapons. \u00a0They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldn&#8217;t believe. \u00a0And I think it&#8217;s going to lead to nuclear holocaust.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe people that negotiated that deal, namely Kerry and his friends, are incompetent.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf the deal gets rejected, they still get all of this money. \u00a0Iran is going to be unbelievably powerful and unbelievably rich. \u00a0And Israel&#8217;s in big trouble. \u00a0Israel is in big trouble. \u00a0Obama has really let Israel down.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><strong># # # <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Trump on Abortion &amp; Planned Parenthood<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NkWJ7R\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1NkWJ7R<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m pro-life. \u00a0And I was begrudgingly the other way. \u00a0But, I have to say, when those questions were asked, and that was many, many years ago, I wasn&#8217;t a politician.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have exceptions. \u00a0Rape, incest, if the mother is going to die. \u00a0And Ronald Reagan had those same exceptions. \u00a0And many Republicans have those same exceptions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>On donations to Planned Parenthood: <\/strong>\u201cIt&#8217;s possible. \u00a0I give to so many, Chuck. \u00a0I give to so many organizations over the years. \u00a0Hundreds of millions of dollars. \u00a0And so I don&#8217;t know. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think so.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>On controversial tapes:<\/strong> \u201c I think those tapes that I saw over the last&#8211; the five tapes or the six tapes, I think they were outrageous. \u00a0I think they were terrible, disgusting by any standpoint. \u00a0And they have to stop. I don&#8217;t know about them being edited. \u00a0I didn&#8217;t like the attitude of the people. \u00a0They talked about it almost like we&#8217;re making widgets or gadgets. \u00a0And it was inappropriate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong># # # <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sen. Sanders on Biden Run<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>VIDEO: <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EvWBes\"><em><strong>http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EvWBes<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have known Joe for many, many years. \u00a0And everybody who knows Joe likes him and respects him. \u00a0The decision as to whether or not he runs is his. \u00a0If he does run, I promise him an issue-oriented campaign.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong># # #<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sen. Sanders on Black Lives Matter Statement Issued by Campaign<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Buzzfeed has an article out this morning. \u00a0Headline is this: \u00a0&#8220;Sanders Campaign Reaches Out to Black Lives Matter Activists.&#8221; \u00a0Quote, &#8220;I apologize it took our campaign so long.&#8221; \u00a0Tell me more about it.<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, that was sent out by a staffer, not by me. \u00a0Look, we are reaching out to all kinds of groups, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I understand that but, you said a staffer put it out, but you felt an apology was necessary?<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>No, I don&#8217;t. \u00a0I think we&#8217;re going to be working with all groups. \u00a0This was sent out without my knowledge.<\/p>\n<p><strong># # # <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Below are highlights, video clips, and a rush transcript of today\u2019s program. Additional show video is available online at<a href=\"http:\/\/www.meetthepressnbc.com\"> www.MeetThePressNBC.com<\/a>. Join the conversation online with hashtag #MTP.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Trump: If I\u2019m Elected, Obama\u2019s Executive Order \u201cGets Rescinded\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1IU2AeP\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1IU2AeP<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trump: Keep the Minimum Wage \u201cPretty Much Where It Is Now\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ITYNjR\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ITYNjR<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trump on D.C. Statehood <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1TJdoSf\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1TJdoSf<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trump Explains the Trump \u201cShow\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fizuxe\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fizuxe<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Trump: Bush &amp; Clinton Will Be \u201cA Puppet\u201d for Campaign Donors <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1LfqeZ9\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1LfqeZ9<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Democratic Voters Concerned About Clinton Campaign <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MrZtzw\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1MrZtzw<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Chuck\u2019s Take: Iowa State Fair Raises the Stakes for Outside Candidates <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DVr76O\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DVr76O<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Castro in 1959: \u201cI Don\u2019t Hate Anybody &#8211; Including My Enemies\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1K0567v\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1K0567v<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Meet the Next: Closing Congress\u2019 Revolving Door <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fix8OP\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fix8OP<\/a><\/li>\n<li>#comPRESSed: \u201cMeet the Press\u201d in less than 2 minutes <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fixe92\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1fixe92<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong># # #\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This Sunday, face to face with Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Are we on a reality show now?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>This is not reality, this is the real deal.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>My interview with the man leading the polls, on birtherism, ISIS, and his plan on illegal immigration.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;ll work out so well. \u00a0You will be so happy. \u00a0In four years, you&#8217;re going to be interviewing me, and you&#8217;re going to say, &#8220;What a good job you&#8217;ve done, President Trump.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Also, it&#8217;s Hillary&#8217;s campaign in crisis. \u00a0Emails, the sinking poll numbers, the questions about trust. \u00a0This isn&#8217;t just Washington. \u00a0Iowa voters are saying this about Hillary&#8217;s troubles:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>IOWA VOTER<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s now been some rumors of Gore jumping in. That\u2019s gotta sting<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All of it has led to talk of Joe Biden and the rise of this man: \u00a0Senator Bernie Sanders. \u00a0He joins me live. \u00a0And finally, how much fried food can you get for 50 bucks at the Iowa State Fair? \u00a0It turns out, way too much. \u00a0Joining me for insight and analysis this morning are Jeff Greenfield, contributor to The Daily Beast, Molly Ball of The Atlantic, Kimberley Strassel of The Wall Street Journal, and Eugene Robinson, of The Washington Post. \u00a0Welcome to Sunday, it&#8217;s Meet the Press.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>ANNOUNCER:<\/p>\n<p>From NBC News in Washington, this is Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Good Sunday morning. \u00a0When he first began talking about running for president, a lot of people dismissed him, including myself. \u00a0But there&#8217;s no denying that Donald Trump has completely shaken up the Republican race. \u00a0Topping national and state polls, drawing 24 million people to the GOP debate, and simply dominating the coverage so far.<\/p>\n<p>I caught up with Trump yesterday in Des Moines, Iowa for his first face-to-face Sunday morning interview as a candidate. \u00a0I wanted this interview to be less about personality and more about substance. \u00a0We touched on a lot of issues, birtherism, abortion, ISIS, immigration, Ronald Reagan, and much more. \u00a0So let&#8217;s get right to it, starting with his standing with the conservative movement.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Some of the criticism on you from conservatives is you&#8217;re not a real conservative. \u00a0When you hear that&#8211; You know, someone will argue on social policies that you&#8217;re not a real conservative. \u00a0Is it just different brands of conservatism that&#8217;s out there and you just have a different brand? \u00a0Or do you think they have a point?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I think they have a point from years ago. \u00a0But they also have that same point with Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat absolutely with a liberal bent. \u00a0And Ronald Reagan became, you know, not only a Republican but a pretty conservative Repub&#8211; not the most. \u00a0But a pretty conservative Republican. And he&#8217;s somebody that I actually knew and liked. \u00a0And he liked me. \u00a0And I worked with him and helped him. \u00a0But I think that when you get right down to it, people do evolve on different issues. \u00a0And, you know, I&#8217;m pro-life. \u00a0And I was begrudgingly the other way. \u00a0But I have to say when those questions were asked, and that was many, many years ago, I wasn&#8217;t a politician.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Should some form of abortion always be legal?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, to me, I have exceptions. \u00a0Rape, incest, if the mother is going to die. \u00a0And Ronald Reagan had those same exceptions. \u00a0And many Republicans have those same exceptions. \u00a0But I say rape, incest&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You said life of the mother. \u00a0What about health of the mother?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I said actually if the mother&#8217;s close to death. \u00a0And I&#8217;m talking about death. \u00a0\u00a0You know, because then you sort of say, like, &#8220;Well, maybe she&#8217;s not feeling so well&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, that&#8217;s the line here. \u00a0What is the constitutional right&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;between the mother and the unborn child? \u00a0Whose&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>My&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;constitutional rights matter more?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Right. My statement on that happens to be, you know, if the mother will die. \u00a0And you&#8217;re going to know that. \u00a0And the problem with the life: \u00a0If you say life, what does life mean? \u00a0You have a cold and you&#8217;re going to end up having an abortion. So I have the three exceptions and pretty much the standard three exceptions that many Republicans have.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You were pretty&#8211;you were somewhat defending Planned Parenthood earlier this week. \u00a0It struck me that there was a time Planned Parenthood was not seen as a very political organization. \u00a0Were you ever a donor to Planned Parent&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know. \u00a0I mean, I don&#8217;t know&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s possible?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>But it&#8217;s possible. \u00a0I give to so many, Chuck. \u00a0I give to so many organizations over the years. \u00a0Hundreds of millions of dollars. \u00a0And so I don&#8217;t know. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think so. \u00a0But it&#8217;s possible somewhere&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It wouldn&#8217;t have surprised you if you had?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it could be. \u00a0Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions. \u00a0A lot of people consider it an abortion clinic. \u00a0I think those tapes that I saw over the last&#8211; the five tapes or the six tapes, I think they were outrageous. \u00a0I think they were terrible, disgusting by any standpoint. \u00a0And they have to stop.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Does it bother you that they&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>At the same time&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;were edited? \u00a0Do you think they&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know about them being edited. All I did, I mean, whatever I saw was terrible&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s what you saw.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I mean, it was terrible. \u00a0And in particular, I didn&#8217;t like the attitude of the people. \u00a0They talked about it almost like we&#8217;re making widgets or gadgets. \u00a0And it was inappropriate.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you would not shut down the&#8211; you don&#8217;t think there should be a government showdown, shutdown over Planned Parenthood funding&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I wouldn&#8217;t fund it if they have the abortion going on. \u00a0And it&#8217;s been a big factor. \u00a0Now, you hear all different numbers. \u00a0They say it&#8217;s 3%. \u00a0Other people say it&#8217;s 85%. \u00a0That&#8217;s a big difference. \u00a0So I&#8217;d certainly look into it. \u00a0We have to keep&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But would you shut down the government over this dispute?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I would not fund if they&#8217;re doing abortions.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But as you know, there could be a stalemate in Congress. \u00a0Is it worth shutting down the government over?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s something I&#8217;d have to think about to be honest with you. \u00a0I don&#8217;t want to give a hard and fast answer to that. \u00a0It bothers me greatly that they&#8217;re doing the abortions. \u00a0At the same time, women&#8217;s health issues are, you know, very important to me.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s go foreign affairs. \u00a0You want to knock the hell out of ISIS. \u00a0How?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I want to take away their wealth. \u00a0And, as you know, for years I&#8217;ve been saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t go into Iraq.&#8221; \u00a0They went into Iraq. \u00a0They destabilized the Middle East. \u00a0It was a big mistake. \u00a0Okay, now we&#8217;re there. \u00a0And you have ISIS. \u00a0And I said this was going to happen. I said, &#8220;Iran will take over Iraq,&#8221; which is happening as sure as you&#8217;re sitting there. \u00a0And ISIS is taking over a lot of the oil and certain areas of Iraq. \u00a0And I said you take away their wealth, that you go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil. \u00a0We take over the oil, which we should have done in the first place. \u00a0And&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s going to take ground troops.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>If you re&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What you&#8217;re talking is&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;ground troops.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s okay.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Maybe 25,000&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We can circle it. \u00a0We can&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>How ma&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;circle it. \u00a0We&#8217;re going to have so much money. And what I would do with the money that we make, which would be tremendous, I would take care of the soldiers that were killed, the families of the soldiers that were killed, the soldiers, the wounded warriors that are&#8211; I love them. \u00a0And they&#8217;re walking all over the streets of New York, all over the streets of every city without arms, without legs, and worse than that. \u00a0And I would take care of them. \u00a0They paid a big price&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So America should take over these oil fields. \u00a0Shouldn&#8217;t be given to the Iraqis?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we can give them something. \u00a0But we should definitely take back money for our soldiers. \u00a0We&#8217;ve had soldiers that were decimated, so badly hurt, the wounded warriors, and killed of course. \u00a0But we&#8217;ve had soldiers that were so badly hurt and killed. \u00a0I want their families to get something. \u00a0Because we got nothing out of that war. \u00a0We spent $2 trillion, Chuck. \u00a0We had thousands of people killed. \u00a0Wounded warriors all over the place. \u00a0They got nothing. \u00a0And they can&#8217;t even say we had a victory.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Who do you talk to for military advice right now?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I watch the shows. \u00a0I mean, I really see a lot of great&#8211; you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows and you have the generals and&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you do the&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>And you have certain people that you like&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But is there a go-to for you? \u00a0You know&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Probably there are&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;every presidential&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;two or three&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;candidate has a go-to&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, probably there are two or three. \u00a0I mean, I like Bolton. \u00a0I think he&#8217;s, you know, a tough cookie, knows what he&#8217;s talking about. \u00a0Jacobs is a good guy&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you mean Ambassador John Bolton&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yes. \u00a0I think he&#8217;s terrific&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You mean Colonel Jack Jacobs?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Colonel Jack Jacobs is a good guy. \u00a0And I see him on occasion.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You wrote this in 2011 about Saudi Arabia. \u00a0&#8220;It&#8217;s the world&#8217;s biggest funder of terrorism. \u00a0Saudi Arabia funnels our petro dollars, our very own money, to fund the terrorists that seek to destroy our people while the Saudis rely on us to protect them.&#8221; \u00a0What are U.S.-Saudi relations going to look like under a Trump administration?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;that paid back some stuff&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We got nothing. \u00a0And, you know, I met the Kuwaitis right after&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Secretary Baker did collect a lot of money&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>A lot. \u00a0But nothing compared to what we spent. \u00a0Nothing compared to what we spent. \u00a0And I&#8217;ll never forget shortly after the war the Kuwaiti fund came to see me. \u00a0And they wanted to do a deal. \u00a0And I said, &#8220;We have a great deal in the United States.&#8221; \u00a0\u00a0They go, &#8220;No, no, no. \u00a0Not United States. \u00a0Not United States. \u00a0We don&#8217;t want to invest in United States.&#8221; \u00a0We gave them back their country.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But to go back to Saudi Arabia, if they&#8217;re a funder of terrorists, why should we have diplomatic relations with them at all?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, look, I&#8217;m not a big fan&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Should we be&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m just&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;holding them more accountable?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, you know&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>They treat women poorly.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>The primary reason we are with Saudi Arabia is because we need the oil. \u00a0Now, we don&#8217;t need the oil so much. \u00a0And if we let our people really go, we wouldn&#8217;t need the oil at all. \u00a0And we could let everybody else fight it out. \u00a0Look, Saudi Arabia is going to be in big trouble pretty soon. \u00a0And they&#8217;re going to need help.<\/p>\n<p>Because if you look at Yemen and you look at that border, you don&#8217;t have to be an expert to know that is one long border. \u00a0And they&#8217;re not going in for Yemen. \u00a0They&#8217;re going in for the oil. \u00a0They&#8217;re going in for Saudi Arabia. \u00a0So Saudi Arabia is going to need help.<\/p>\n<p>Like it or don&#8217;t like it, people have backed Saudi Arabia. \u00a0What I really mind though is we back it at tremendous expense. \u00a0We get nothing for it. \u00a0And they&#8217;re making a billion dollars a day.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>We do have a running theme here. \u00a0You believe the U.S. should&#8211; you&#8217;re okay with the U.S. being the world&#8217;s police&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We should at least&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;be reimbursed&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;if we get paid&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;by these extremely wealthy countries, yes&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So essentially you want&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck, we&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It turns our&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We have&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;military into a mercenary force.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No, not at all. \u00a0Look, we are a debtor nation. \u00a0We owe, I mean, now it&#8217;s 1.9 trillion, okay? \u00a0I&#8217;ve been saying 1.8. \u00a0Now, it&#8217;s 1 point &#8212; it\u2019s really kicked in. \u00a0It&#8217;s soon going to be 2.4 trillion dollars, okay? That\u2019s like a point, whether you believe in the great economists or not, that seems to be a point of no return. \u00a0That&#8217;s where we&#8217;re Greece on steroids, okay?<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re going to be there very soon. \u00a0Why are we doing all of this? \u00a0These are wealthy countries. \u00a0They will give us, if we have the right messenger, they will give us. \u00a0It&#8217;s like this horrible deal with Iran. \u00a0This deal, if you had the right, you&#8217;d have the prisoners back years ago.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Iran would still get money. \u00a0I understand&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Can you believe that deal?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But let me ask you this.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No, no. \u00a0Why is Iran&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I understand there&#8217;s a lot of people&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;getting the money?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I understand a lot of people are critical of the deal. \u00a0But could you, what deal can you come up with that wouldn&#8217;t give Iran money?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Okay, I would&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>That wouldn&#8217;t give&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I would have told them up front, &#8220;By the way&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>No sanctions relief?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We will never give you back your money. \u00a0We will never&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Period&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;&#8220;give you back your $150 billion. \u00a0You&#8217;re never getting that money back.&#8221; \u00a0That&#8217;s number one. \u00a0Number two, &#8220;Before we start negotiations, you have to give us our three prisoners.&#8221; \u00a0Now, it&#8217;s four, okay? \u00a0You know, when it started, it was three. \u00a0Now, it&#8217;s four. \u00a0&#8220;You have to give us back. \u00a0Without question, you have to give them back.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;And you know what? \u00a0You don&#8217;t want them. \u00a0But we do. \u00a0It&#8217;s psychologically good. \u00a0And it&#8217;ll help us make a better deal together. \u00a0That&#8217;s good for you.&#8221; \u00a0Okay? \u00a0But I would have told them up front, &#8220;You will never get your $150 billion back.&#8221; \u00a0They are going to be such a wealthy, such a powerful nation.<\/p>\n<p>They are going to have nuclear weapons. \u00a0They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldn&#8217;t believe. \u00a0And I think it&#8217;s going to lead to nuclear holocaust. \u00a0And I will say this. \u00a0The people that negotiated that deal, namely Kerry and his friends, are incompetent.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What do you do on day one though?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of people say, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to rip up the deal.&#8221; \u00a0It&#8217;s very tough to do when you say, &#8220;Rip up a deal.&#8221; \u00a0Because I&#8217;m a deal person. \u00a0And&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You get that&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;when I&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Even if you&#8217;ve made&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>When I make deals&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ve&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Let me tell you. \u00a0But I will police that deal. \u00a0You know, I&#8217;ve taken over some bad contracts. \u00a0I buy contracts where people screwed up and they have bad contracts.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But you have to abide by it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>But I&#8217;m really good at looking at a contract and finding things within a contract that even if they&#8217;re bad. \u00a0I would police that contract so tough that they don&#8217;t have a chance. \u00a0As bad as the contract is, I will be so tough on that contract.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So the deal lives in a Trump administration&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, the deal&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re just going to be&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s very hard to say, &#8220;We&#8217;re ripping up.&#8221; \u00a0And the problem is by the time I got in there, they will have already received the $150 billion. \u00a0Do you know if the deal gets rejected they still get the money? \u00a0Which is something I found out a week ago. \u00a0I couldn&#8217;t believe it. \u00a0If the deal gets rejected, they still get all of this money. \u00a0Iran is going to be unbelievably powerful and unbelievably rich. \u00a0And Israel&#8217;s in big trouble. \u00a0Israel is in big trouble. \u00a0Obama has really let Israel down.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you believe the Saudis are going to get a nuclear weapon? \u00a0You believe Egypt&#8217;s going to after nuclear weapons&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I think other people will arm with nuclear weapons, yes, based on this deal. \u00a0Because if you look at it, Iran will end up being nuclear. \u00a0Even if it&#8217;s not within the next fairly short period of time. \u00a0And the whole thing about 24 days. \u00a0First of all, the 24 days doesn&#8217;t start immediately. \u00a0There&#8217;s a whole big deal before the clock starts ticking, right? \u00a0So the 24 days could be much longer than that. \u00a0In 24 days plus numerous weeks, you can do anything.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>If you get evidence they&#8217;re working on a nuclear weapon, you order air strikes immediately?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t want to really say. \u00a0I would be so tough you wouldn&#8217;t believe. \u00a0But I don&#8217;t want to really say. \u00a0You know, if I win&#8211; and now I&#8217;m leading in every single poll. \u00a0Even you will agree to that, right? \u00a0Every single local&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yes, sir&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;national, Iowa, New Hampshire, everything. \u00a0If I win, I don&#8217;t want to really be talking too much about&#8211; Obama talks too much about what he&#8217;s going to do. \u00a0&#8220;We&#8217;re going to raid here. \u00a0We&#8217;re going to do this.&#8221; \u00a0General MacArthur, General Patton, they didn&#8217;t talk. \u00a0They got the job done.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So that was part one. \u00a0I&#8217;ve got the panel here. \u00a0Don&#8217;t worry, we&#8217;ve got more Trump interview coming up in the show. \u00a0Jeff Greenfield, former correspondent with CBS News, CNN, and ABC. \u00a0Now contributes to Politico and The Daily Beast. \u00a0Molly Ball, politics writer for The Atlantic, Kimberley Strassel, columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and Eugene Robinson, columnist for The Washington Post. \u00a0The Trump campaign, by the way, has contacted me and said on Planned Parenthood, they couldn&#8217;t find any evidence that he gave any money for the last 20 years. \u00a0They wanted me to clarify that. \u00a0Jeff Greenfield, what&#8217;d you learn?<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>First I learned that he&#8217;s moved to a slightly more subtle level than in the opening rounds. \u00a0He actually said, &#8220;I have to think about that.&#8221; \u00a0That&#8217;s not a sentence that easily comes to Donald Trump&#8217;s mind. \u00a0&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure about that.&#8221; \u00a0There was, the first vague hint of nuance, which is another word I don&#8217;t associate with. \u00a0I must say that the answer to the question you asked about where he gets his military and his defensive policy stand, you watch his shows.<\/p>\n<p>Once again, I think for an ordinary political person, that would have consequences. \u00a0It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;ve been so wrong about what was going to hurt Donald Trump for so long, that maybe his supporters will say, &#8220;That&#8217;s a good place to figure out your military strategy. I\u2019ll watch television.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, here&#8217;s the thing. \u00a0A lot of his supporters do watch a lot of television, right Molly?<\/p>\n<p>MOLLY BALL:<\/p>\n<p>They seem to. \u00a0Well, and look, he is capable of seeming to give details while actually being really slippery. \u00a0So he didn&#8217;t actually answer a lot of your questions there. \u00a0He sort of said, &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s this and it&#8217;s that.&#8221; \u00a0And he&#8217;ll say two contradictory things. \u00a0But he sort of filibusters in a way that it sounds like he&#8217;s answering the question at a high level of detail, because he uses a lot of words.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Kimberly, did he make the case to conservatives, that he&#8217;s a conservative?<\/p>\n<p>KIMBERLEY STRASSEL:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I mean, here&#8217;s the interesting thing about Trump, is that ever since the debate, you see him. \u00a0He&#8217;s now decided he&#8217;s going to be a real candidate, right? \u00a0He&#8217;s putting out some policy details, he&#8217;s building up his organization in Iowa, he&#8217;s going to be a candidate. \u00a0The question is whether or not that doesn&#8217;t hurt him more in the end with conservatives.<\/p>\n<p>If you look at the conservative electorate over the last decade, it&#8217;s gone through this evolution, the Tea Party change. \u00a0I mean, what they&#8217;ve decided is that they are generally demanding more principled candidates. \u00a0And they also want to win. \u00a0And when you listen to him, it&#8217;s very hard when you hear the answers to some of these questions. \u00a0They don&#8217;t necessarily fall in line with what the conservative electorate has been asking for from candidates over time. \u00a0It&#8217;s not just single-payer, but all kinds of things.<\/p>\n<p>MALE VOICE:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Gene, if you could, if you had to sum up what you learned about his foreign policy philosophy, \u00a0did you find, is he an interventionist? \u00a0Is he an isolationist? \u00a0What is it? \u00a0What did you get from it?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, you know, he&#8217;s Donald Trump. \u00a0He&#8217;s himself. \u00a0And the selling point of his candidacy is, &#8220;I&#8217;m Donald Trump.&#8221; \u00a0And it&#8217;s not about his specific policies, and you know, you&#8217;re right. \u00a0That was a very weak answer on, &#8220;Where do you get your military advice?&#8221; \u00a0But it&#8217;s really not about where he gets his military advice.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s about, &#8220;I can make a better deal. \u00a0I can go in and take the oil. \u00a0Don&#8217;t worry about the details. \u00a0I&#8217;ll figure it out. \u00a0I&#8217;m not going to talk a lot about exactly how I&#8217;m going to do X or Y because that would be foolish. \u00a0I don&#8217;t do that. \u00a0I know how to make a deal.&#8221; \u00a0That&#8217;s the Donald Trump candidacy. \u00a0And I actually think he&#8217;s been very consistent and sort of single-minded about that fact. \u00a0The central fact of his candidacy.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Jeff, you brought up nuance. \u00a0I thought the most fascinating answer was his Iran answer. \u00a0That, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to accept the agreement.&#8221; \u00a0And, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to&#8211;&#8221; that was a very believable answer to him. \u00a0&#8220;I know how to read a contract. \u00a0I know how to find loopholes.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s two things. \u00a0One, that&#8217;s another thing that could set some of those conservatives off, because the set line, the default line is, &#8220;Rip the deal up&#8221; right after I finish swearing missile thing, or whatever. \u00a0But the other part about that is that you&#8217;re getting the sense that he&#8217;s torn. \u00a0I mean, at one point, he knows that it would be useful to be more reasonable. \u00a0On the other hand, I think this may be the mantra of the whole campaign here, he&#8217;s Donald Trump. \u00a0I keep coming back to what Mark Cuban, his fellow reality said very early in the game, he spotted this, and I sure did, it doesn&#8217;t matter what he&#8217;s saying. \u00a0You&#8217;re missing the point.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>But what he said was also very realistic. \u00a0You tear up the deal on day one, everybody else is following the deal. \u00a0The Iranians already have the money. \u00a0It&#8217;s a very realistic answer.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>KIMBERLEY STRASSEL:<\/p>\n<p>But it also shows a lack of understanding. \u00a0I mean, he doesn&#8217;t get to enforce this deal. \u00a0International nuclear inspectors enforce this deal, so.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And that does come through the more you talk about some of these foreign policies. \u00a0Let me take a break here. \u00a0We&#8217;ve got more of the Trump interview, a little more domestic issues coming up, including and revealing his first big white paper and it\u2019s just on immigration.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, well, Chuck, you either have a country or we don&#8217;t have a country.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK* * *<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Welcome back. \u00a0Few things that Donald Trump has said during the campaign has attracted more attention than his negative comments about Mexican immigrants. \u00a0However, he has been light on detail on how he&#8217;d address illegal immigration. \u00a0Well, yesterday on his plane, he handed me his immigration plan, about an eight-page plan. \u00a0He wants to end the automatic right of citizenship for anyone born in the country.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s probably the biggest news in the plan. \u00a0And he plans to immediately rescind President Obama&#8217;s executive order that stopped the deportations of some younger undocumented immigrants who had entered the country as children. \u00a0Here&#8217;s a little bit more from him.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>The executive order gets rescinded. \u00a0One good thing about&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll rescind that one, too?<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>One good thing about&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll rescind the DREAM Act executive order&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re going to have to.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>DACA?<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>We have to make a whole new set of standards. \u00a0And when people come in, they have to come in legally&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you&#8217;re going to split up families?<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re going to deport children&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck. \u00a0No, no. \u00a0We&#8217;re going to keep the families together. \u00a0We 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you it?<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Do you think there&#8217;s tremendous cost for the illegals that are in here right now?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Of course there&#8217;s cost to it.<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Okay, tremendous. \u00a0Do you think there&#8217;s tremendous crime being committed by illegals?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I know there&#8217;s definitely evidence that it&#8217;s happened.<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Tremendous&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;heinous crimes&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Far greater than what&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s been some heinous ones.<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>And you see it all over. \u00a0Just last night. \u00a0All over. \u00a0We will do it. \u00a0And we will expedite it so people can come back in.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s still not clear to me here&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck, it&#8217;ll work out so well. \u00a0You will be so happy. \u00a0In four years, you&#8217;re going to be interviewing me and you&#8217;re going to say, &#8220;What a great job you&#8217;ve done, President Trump.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Coming up, my lighting round with Donald Trump, including whether he believes President Obama is a U.S. citizen. And then there\u2019s this little nugget: I asked him why he felt it was necessary to constantly remind people that he attended the Wharton School of Finance. Here was his response.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Look, if I were a liberal Democrat, people would say I&#8217;m the super genius of all time. \u00a0The super genius of all time. \u00a0If you&#8217;re a conservative Republican, you got to fight for your life. \u00a0It&#8217;s really an amazing thing.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK* * *<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Welcome back. As everyone knows, Donald Trump has a lot of opinions about a lot of things. I did sort of a lightning round on issues with him, starting with his role in the birther movement, questioning President Obama\u2019s citizenship 4 years ago.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me go through some grab bags. \u00a0What launched our relationship, shall we say, was back four years ago. \u00a0Do you believe President Obama is a citizen who was born in the United States?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I don&#8217;t like talking about it anymore. \u00a0Because honestly I have my own feelings. \u00a0I think he should have taken the $5 million. \u00a0I don&#8217;t know why he spent $4 million in legal fees to keep his records, you know, away. \u00a0Nobody&#8217;s seen his records. \u00a0I don&#8217;t know. \u00a0Maybe&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re talking about the birth certificate.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Maybe the hackers. \u00a0Maybe the hackers have his records. \u00a0No, I mean, his college records. \u00a0I mean, he spent $4 million in legal fees to make sure that nobody ever saw&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, if you want him to release his&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;ll tell you what&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;would you release all of yours&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>But here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll do.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Would you release all your&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll do&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;college transcripts&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m proud of my records. \u00a0But he has to do it. \u00a0If he does it, I&#8217;ll do it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>President Obama tried to put a ban on lobbyists ever working in the administration. \u00a0Will you do something like that?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, that&#8217;s a pretty good idea. \u00a0Because, you know, these guys get out and they almost immediately go to work for a company. \u00a0And they have power that they shouldn&#8217;t have. \u00a0Look, when Jeb Bush raises $114 million, I know those people that gave him the money. \u00a0I used to be one of them.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I mean, I gave to everybody, okay? \u00a0I know those people. \u00a0He&#8217;s like a puppet for those people. \u00a0He&#8217;s a puppet. \u00a0Those people, they&#8217;ll take negative ads on me and on other people because they want him in there because they&#8217;re going to control Jeb Bush. \u00a0And not only Jeb. \u00a0They&#8217;re going to control Hillary. \u00a0She raised 16 million plus. \u00a0They&#8217;re going to control whoever&#8217;s in. \u00a0The lobbyists, and the special interests, and the donors have 100&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So no lobbyists will work&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;percent&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;in the Trump administration?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll have a ban?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I would certainly have a ban. \u00a0Yeah, you can&#8217;t put a lifetime ban. \u00a0But you can certainly make it three, four years.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What is a fair living wage? What\u2019s fair?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I want to keep the minimum wage pretty much where it is right now.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You wouldn&#8217;t raise it?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Because of the fact that we have a country that is now competing more than ever before because of airplanes, and transportation, and&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you think we got to keep&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;the internet&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>We got to keep the minimum wage lower&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we&#8217;re not going to be able to compete with the rest of the world. \u00a0I want to compete with the rest of the world. \u00a0What I do want to do is bring in jobs so much so that people don&#8217;t have to live on minimum wage. \u00a0But we are going to have to compete with the rest of the world.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0Toss you a quick Facebook question. \u00a0Michael Martinez asks, &#8220;Residents of the District of Columbia currently pay federal taxes but have only a non-voting delegate in the House of Representatives, no representation in the Senate. \u00a0Should that policy continue as is? \u00a0Should D.C. become a state? \u00a0Should it not have to pay taxes? \u00a0Should it be treated like Puerto Rico&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, bas&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow should D.C. residents be treated&#8211;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I have a conflict of interest because I&#8217;m building the greatest&#8211; you know, I&#8217;m building at the old post office I think what will be maybe one of the great hotels in the world&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;ve heard.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;ll open. \u00a0And, by the way, unlike our government, we&#8217;re under budget and ahead of schedule. \u00a0Isn&#8217;t that a nice thing to hear? \u00a0You don&#8217;t hear that. \u00a0Just like the wall will be under budget and ahead of schedule. \u00a0And nobody&#8217;s getting through that wall. \u00a0Believe me.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>But&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So the district.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>So I have a little bit of a conflict.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>State or not?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I would like to do whatever is good for the District of Columbia because I love the people. \u00a0You know, it&#8217;s funny. \u00a0I&#8217;ve really gotten to know the people, the representatives, and the mayor, and everybody. \u00a0They&#8217;re really special people. \u00a0They&#8217;re great. \u00a0And they have a great feeling. \u00a0So I would say whatever&#8217;s best for them I&#8217;m for. \u00a0I have a total conflict of interest.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Your slogan, we&#8217;re going to hear it a lot today at the fair. \u00a0&#8220;We&#8217;re going to make America great again.&#8221; \u00a0When was the&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Great slogan.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>When was the last time America was great?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I would say during the administration of Ronald Reagan you felt proud to be an American. \u00a0You felt really proud. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think since then to any great extent people were proud.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Then let me ask you this. \u00a0Not trying play a little \u201cgotcha\u201d here. \u00a0But in 1987 you took out a full-page ad. \u00a0This is during the Reagan administration. \u00a0And you said this. \u00a0&#8220;To the American people. \u00a0For decades, Japan and other nations have been taking advantage of the United States.&#8221; \u00a0On message, by the way. \u00a0It&#8217;s consistent. \u00a0&#8220;The world is laughing at America&#8217;s politicians as we protect ships we don&#8217;t own carrying oil we don&#8217;t need destined for allies who won&#8217;t help.&#8221; \u00a0Message-wise, very consistent.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>You know, I&#8217;ve been&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>From day one including during the Reagan&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I was just going to say&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Because look, NAFTA&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s not let&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>NAFTA&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;our great country be laughed at anymore. \u00a0If that&#8217;s the last time America was great again, you didn&#8217;t think America was&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No, no&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;great then.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I thought America was excellent. \u00a0I think NAFTA was a huge mistake. \u00a0I thought it was a terrible mistake. \u00a0And, you know, but I just think that he set a tone that was an excellent tone for the country. \u00a0I disagree&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Looking back, you seem to&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;with some of his&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;like it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No, I just&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But at the time&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, looking back&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This was a fire&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;I like him more.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This was a fiery guy.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, he&#8217;s&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Donald J. Trump of 1987 was not&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it&#8217;s the same guy. \u00a0If you think&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Your consistence on&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I have been consistent over the years&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll give you consistency. If you could win as an independent, would you be more comfortable running as an independent than as a Republican&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No, I want to run&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I get why you don&#8217;t want to run&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;as an independent. \u00a0Because it&#8217;s not&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it&#8217;s more difficult&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You probably couldn&#8217;t win.<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s more&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s hard&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;difficult. \u00a0But it&#8217;s not that. \u00a0Look, somebody was asking me that question the other day times 50.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I understand&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>All right? \u00a0I mean, I&#8217;m hearing it all the time.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I know.<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m running as a Republican. \u00a0I&#8217;m leading by double digits for the most part&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So just stay, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to stay as a Republican.&#8221; \u00a0Why is that so hard?<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Because I&#8217;m not prepared to close that door yet. \u00a0But I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if someday in the not too distant future it happens. \u00a0They are treating me very well. \u00a0I just want to be treated fairly. \u00a0And, you know, I&#8217;m a person that believes in leverage.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Alright. I sort of was amused about, this is a little excerpt from your Playboy interview in 1990. The questioner asks, \u2018What is all of this\u2019 &#8211;meaning talking about your yacht, the bronze tower, the casino, what does it mean to you&#8211;and you replied, \u2018props for the show.\u2019 And they said, \u2018what show is that?\u2019 And you replied, \u201cThe show is Trump and its sold out performances everywhere.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>And it has been for a long time.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Are we all a part of a show? I mean&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No\u2026<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;there is, you know that some of the criticism that we feel like we\u2019re all part of a reality show?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>No this is not a reality show. This is the real deal.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Our country has to be&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You did smile when I read the show stuff.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s fine&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Because it resonated with you.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>DONALD TRUMP:<\/p>\n<p>Look, my life has been an interesting life. I\u2019ve had a lot of fun. I\u2019m leading in the polls. \u00a0I go on your show, you will get the highest ratings you\u2019ve had in years. I mean it&#8217;s one of those things assuming that \u00a0people know I\u2019m on.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I mean, whatever it is. Look at FOX, look what happened to FOX. I mean it\u2019s a whole crazy thing going on and all I care about&#8211;and this is 100 percent truthful&#8211;I love this country and I want to make it great again. And its not gonna be great if we keep going the way we\u2019re going, we\u2019re going to be third world, we probably already are. You look at our airports, our roads, our bridges, schools, our school system, we\u2019re 25. We spend more on individual students than anybody else. We\u2019re 25 in the world. We have to fix our country. We have to make our country great again.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me bring back the panel. \u00a0Molly Ball, one thing I imagine we&#8217;ve got to give him credit for there, which is there is a consistency to his complaints about government, which is trade.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>MOLLY BALL:<\/p>\n<p>There absolutely is. \u00a0And this has been a long-term consistency, as you know. \u00a0And I think that, you know, we talk about, is he going to alienate conservatives with this policy, and so on. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think his real audience is conservative-based voters. \u00a0I think his audience is a sort of broader set of alienated, sort of blue-collar people, who are upset with China, upset about trade, upset about immigration.<\/p>\n<p>The continuity between the China complaints and the immigration complaints is that there is a feeling that the reason we&#8217;re losing blue-collar jobs is because of these two factors. \u00a0And so he appeals to a lot of people who are sort of loosely connected to politics, don&#8217;t have ideological litmus tests on all of these issues we try to trip him up on. \u00a0But just want someone who&#8217;s strong and tough and takes charge with the force of personality. \u00a0And that is what he offers.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Jeff, you and I were talking about this historically, he&#8217;s a nationalist. \u00a0And he&#8217;s in line with other infamous and famous businessmen who&#8217;ve turned to politics and preached nationalism.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>I would broaden that a little bit. \u00a0And here&#8217;s yet another thing that I missed. \u00a0I&#8217;m not sure what I&#8217;m doing here with all these misses. \u00a0But there is a strain in this country of looking at really wealthy people, who are outside of politics, and thinking, &#8220;That&#8217;s the answer.&#8221; \u00a0Henry Ford was seriously considered as 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some real anger out there. \u00a0And you see the other Republicans realizing that they&#8217;ve got to address it too. \u00a0And that has had an influence on the race.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>By the way, he worked with Senator Jeff Sessions, his office, that&#8217;s who they used for this and who has been probably the hardest-line immigration activist in the Senate. \u00a0Go ahead.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, you know, another Trump appeal is to people who think that all politicians are a bunch of clowns, who make promises they&#8217;re not going to keep, and who take themselves far too seriously. \u00a0Donald Trump is kind of a clown. \u00a0He makes promises he&#8217;s not going to keep. \u00a0He doesn&#8217;t take himself that seriously. \u00a0He pulls back the curtain on&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<br \/>\nHe\u2019s oddly authentic about it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Right. \u00a0This is all 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the Democratic primary, you have to sample the mood on the ground. \u00a0And from my three days in Iowa, it&#8217;s clear to me that the Bernie Sanders phenomenon is very real with the Vermont independent senator attracting huge crowds. \u00a0Senator Sanders joins me now from Iowa. \u00a0Senator, welcome back to Meet the Press.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I have to say, I was both in Clear Lake, watched you there, watched you on the soapbox yesterday where you had so many people. \u00a0The fair has stopped, forget Trump, forget Hillary Clinton, I think you might have had the biggest crowd yesterday. \u00a0Why do you think you&#8217;re resonating at this point? \u00a0And how do you take this from being a movement that seems big in August, and how do you keep it from fading five months from now?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, Chuck, I think we are resonating all over this country and here in Iowa, because we&#8217;re talking about issues that are life-and-death issues to the American people. \u00a0And that is the collapse of the American middle class, the massive and grotesque level of income and wealth inequality in this country, the fact that we are the only major country on earth that doesn&#8217;t guarantee healthcare to all people, the fact that millions of working-class families are now finding it very, very difficult to send their kids to college.<\/p>\n<p>And the basic fact that people are working longer hours for lower wages, and meanwhile, almost all of the new incoming wealth is going to the top 1%. \u00a0And then you add to that a campaign finance system as a result of Citizens United, that allows billionaire families like the Koch brothers and others, to literally buy politicians and corrupt the American political process.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, Senator&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>You add all of that together, and the American people are saying, &#8220;Enough is enough.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, the last time I had you on, and I asked you about what do you think of the comparisons between the phenomenon of what&#8217;s been happening with you, and whether there were similarities with Trump, you were dismissive of it. \u00a0But can I tell you, I can&#8217;t tell you how many people came up to me and said both positive things about you and Trump at the same time. \u00a0Using things like the campaign money example and the outsider. \u00a0What do you think you have in common with the Trump voter? \u00a0Forget Trump, but the Trump voter.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, yeah, but here&#8217;s the difference. \u00a0You know, I am not a billionaire. \u00a0My family doesn&#8217;t have a whole lot of money. \u00a0We are raising our campaign contributions from 350,000 people who are contributing, Chuck, on average, $31.20 apiece. \u00a0That&#8217;s our response. \u00a0To go out to working-class people, to go out to the middle-class people, and getting support. \u00a0I think that&#8217;s a little bit different approach than Donald Trump&#8217;s.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Buzzfeed has an article out this morning. \u00a0Headline is this: \u00a0&#8220;Sanders Campaign Reaches Out to Black Lives Matter Activists.&#8221; \u00a0Quote, &#8220;I apologize it took our campaign so long.&#8221; \u00a0Tell me more about it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, that was sent out by a staffer, not by me. \u00a0Look, we are reaching out to all kinds of groups, absolutely. \u00a0I met with folks at Black Lives Matter, we&#8217;re reaching out to Latino groups, we&#8217;re reaching out to the unions, we&#8217;re fighting to expand social security, and we&#8217;re reaching out to senior groups, we&#8217;re reaching out to healthcare groups, because we believe that everybody in America is entitled to healthcare.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re reaching out to everybody. \u00a0But on this issue of Black Lives Matter, let me be very clear. \u00a0The issue that they are raising is a very, very important issue. \u00a0And there is no candidate for president who would be stronger in fighting against institutional racism, and by the way, reforming a broken criminal justice system.<\/p>\n<p>Chuck, we have more people in jail in the United States of America than any other country on earth. \u00a0And we need real changes. \u00a0We need to do away with the militarization of local police departments, we need to do away with minimum sentencing, we need education and jobs for our young people, rather than jails and incarcerations.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I understand that but, you said a staffer put it out, but you felt an apology was necessary?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>No, I don&#8217;t. \u00a0I think we&#8217;re going to be working with all groups. \u00a0This was sent out without my knowledge.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Fair enough. \u00a0Let me ask you something that Martin O&#8217;Malley said, clearly was a reference to you earlier this week: \u00a0&#8220;I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a problem for the Democratic party, but it might be a problem long-term for Senator Sanders. \u00a0I am a lifelong Democrat and I believe very deeply in the principles of our party, that&#8217;s why I choose to be a Democrat, not just in presidential years, but every year of my life.&#8221; \u00a0This reference that you have not become a registered member of the Democratic party. \u00a0What do you say in response?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, legally in the state of Vermont, you can&#8217;t, you know, legally become a member. \u00a0You vote in the Democratic primary, I have done that, I have supported and helped Democratic candidates for a governor in my state. \u00a0I have been a member of the Democratic caucus. \u00a0After 25 years in the House and the Senate, I&#8217;m now the ranking member of the budget committee.<\/p>\n<p>But it is true, I am the longest-serving independent in the history of the United States Congress. \u00a0And let me tell you this. \u00a0I think it is an advantage. \u00a0Because when I speak to 28,000 people in Portland, Oregon, and 27,000 people in Los Angeles, the vast majority of those people, they&#8217;re not, quote, unquote, &#8220;registered Democrats.&#8221; \u00a0They are ordinary people who are sick and tired of politics as usual.<\/p>\n<p>And by the way, one of the real advantages, I think, of me winning the Democratic primary, is that we can get a lot of young people, a lot of working people involved in the political process, getting them out to vote in a way that establishment politicians can&#8217;t. \u00a0Democrats are losing because voter turnout is abysmal. \u00a0I think we can change that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Very quickly, one of your largest applause is when you said when you become president, you&#8217;re going to focus on creating a healthcare system that&#8217;s essentially Medicare for all. \u00a0Does that mean you&#8217;re going to trap the Affordable Care Act, and then try to implement Medicare for all, if you&#8217;re president?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>Well, Chuck, what it means, is we are, as you know, the only major country on earth that doesn&#8217;t guarantee health care to all people. \u00a0I live 100 miles away from Canada, they do it. \u00a0We spend almost twice as much per capita on our health care as do the people of any other country. \u00a0So what we want to do is expand on Medicare.<\/p>\n<p>Medicare is a popular, good system, it covers people who are old, I want to see Medicare cover everybody. \u00a0A Medicare for all, single-payer program, is the way, in my view, that you provide universal, quality, cost-effective healthcare, and we join the rest of the industrialized world.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right, last question, Joe Biden, do you welcome him into the race? \u00a0Do you think he should run?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>I have known Joe for many, many years. \u00a0And everybody who knows Joe likes him and respects him. \u00a0The decision as to whether or not he runs is his. \u00a0If he does run, I promise him an issue-oriented campaign. \u00a0We&#8217;ll debate the major issues facing the American people.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Help your campaign or hurt?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ll let the political pundits determine that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right, Senator Bernie Sanders, I look forward to a longer, extended, issue-oriented interview at some point where we can do the gambit of issues, including some foreign policy in the near future, sir.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d love to do it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you. \u00a0When we come back, we meet the voters in Iowa. Wait till you see what Democrats are saying about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s growing trouble. But before we go to break, we want to talk about some sad news this morning. Julian Bond, a key figure in the civil rights movement, has died at the age of seventy-five at his home in Florida.<\/p>\n<p>In an appearance on this program in January 1966, Bond, who had been just barred from taking his seat in the Georgia House of Representatives, came on Meet the Press and said this: \u00a0his case was a clear example of why the U.S. government still had to do more to protect civil rights.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>JULIAN BOND:<\/p>\n<p>And certainly the right to free speech, the right to dissent, the right to voice an opinion that may be unpopular, but I think a second and equally as important issue, is the right of people, in this case my constituents, to be represented by someone they chose.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>**Commercial Break**<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You know, if it weren&#8217;t for Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton&#8217;s struggle to maintain control and Bernie Sanders&#8217; rise would be probably the biggest news of the summer. \u00a0As 2016 candidates descend on Iowa for food on a stick, and more than a little campaigning, there are growing concerns among Democrats about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s campaign.<\/p>\n<p>And it is producing whispers that Vice President Biden or even former Vice President Gore, you pick the big-name Democrat, should jump into the race. \u00a0Well, I spent part of the weekend talking to Democrats at the Iowa State Fair. \u00a0And you won&#8217;t believe what they&#8217;re thinking.<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>In 2008, I supported her because she&#8217;s a female and she seemed to relate to us. \u00a0But now, she seems elite, and I don&#8217;t want another Clinton and I don&#8217;t want another Bush.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>At the Iowa State Fair&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE WORKER:<\/p>\n<p>How are you?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;among the deep-fried Oreos&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE WORKER:<\/p>\n<p>They&#8217;re our best seller.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;the buttered cow, and more than 70 different kinds of of food on a stick&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s really good.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;there are rising doubts about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s campaign among Democrats.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What concerns you about Hillary Clinton?<\/p>\n<p>MALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s always something.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right now, that something is the drip, drip, drip of questions about Clinton&#8217;s State Department emails, and allegations that classified information was mishandled on her private server. \u00a0This weekend, Clinton attempted to joke about her new account on SnapChat.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>I love it.<\/p>\n<p>MALE VOICE:<\/p>\n<p>We love you.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>Those messages disappear all by themselves.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Then she fiercely defended herself to Iowa Democrats.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not about emails or servers either. \u00a0It&#8217;s about politics. \u00a0I&#8217;ve just provided my server to the Justice Department. \u00a0But here&#8217;s what I won&#8217;t do. \u00a0I won&#8217;t get down in the mud with them.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And then shrugged off questions from reporters.<\/p>\n<p>HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n<p>This is the usual partisanization, which I may have just made up a word, of anything that goes on. \u00a0It&#8217;s not anything that people talk to me about as I travel around the country.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But some Democrats I talked to are concerned about how the campaign has handled this controversy.<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>It does seem to me a little bit like she&#8217;s hiding something.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You feel like she owes you a better explanation?<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. \u00a0We&#8217;re smarter than that.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Voter frustration with political insiders is apparent. 61% of Iowa voters say they&#8217;ve had enough Clintons and Bushes. That includes many Democrats. \u00a0And these folks are giving Bernie Sanders a long look.<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s nice to kind of have an outsider.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah?<\/p>\n<p>FEMALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>Though he&#8217;s been in politics for a long time, it&#8217;s nice to have somebody who&#8217;s not a Clinton or a Bush.<\/p>\n<p>MALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re now down to rumors of Gore jumping in.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You think that\u2019s about her?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>MALE VOTER:<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s gotta. It\u2019s gotta sting.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>For now, Biden appears more serious than Gore. \u00a0In fact, one source tells me it&#8217;s more like 60-40 that he will run. \u00a0Meanwhile, Clinton sent a not-so-subtle signal to Gore and Biden that it might be too late to get in. \u00a0She walked the state fair side by side with popular Iowa Democrat, Tom Harkin, who endorsed her Friday.<\/p>\n<p>TOM HARKIN:<\/p>\n<p>Hillary is doing everything right. \u00a0A much better and I think more personally involved, if I might say that, campaign this year than it was in 2008.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me bring back the panel, interesting backhanded compliment there by Tom Harkin, Gene Robinson. \u00a0How about that?<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, that really was. \u00a0That was kind of interesting. \u00a0The whole is, you know, first of all, the joke that Hillary Clinton made was pretty effective, right? \u00a0I mean, we&#8217;re talking&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>To that room&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON<\/p>\n<p>To that room.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>To that room full of activist Democrats.<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>But it&#8217;s hard to claim this is all just a partisan witch hunt when the Justice Department, under a Democratic administration, is looking into the whole email mess. \u00a0So that doesn&#8217;t ring so true. \u00a0And it is not going to have an impact on people the way she wants it to. \u00a0And clearly, a lot of Democrats are worried.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I was stunned at how easy it was to find these Democrats willing to say these things. \u00a0That was on camera. \u00a0Molly Ball, this morning\u2019s Washington Post, blind-quote central from Democratic handwringers, a lot of people who were hired by the campaign were new to the Clintons. \u00a0I kind of assumed it would be different, but it hasn&#8217;t changed. \u00a0Another strategist, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a big smoking gun, but it&#8217;s hard to explain why you had a private server, why you just now turned it over. \u00a0Shouldn&#8217;t you have had better judgment?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>MOLLY BALL:<\/p>\n<p>Well, and the fact that this story has not gone away has really worried a lot of people in the inner circle. \u00a0And you do have this tension within the campaign. \u00a0You have this sort of Obama veterans who like to take the long view. \u00a0They believe that this is a long game and that you wait it out and that you don&#8217;t get caught up in the politics of the moment and in the process.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s not the Clinton people&#8217;s view. \u00a0And they want to fight on everything. \u00a0And they get very nervous when there is all of this discussion. \u00a0And so, you know, then it turns into an organizational mess, which is what bogged down her campaign in 2008. \u00a0And it&#8217;s going to be the insiders, it&#8217;s all the different people in her ear, and her inability to mediate those disputes.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me read you Jennifer Palmieri, the campaign communications director, sent this to The Washington Post on this article, she says, &#8220;The bottom line is this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president. \u00a0We know it, Hillary knows it, and we expect it to continue from now until election day. \u00a0It&#8217;s okay, we&#8217;ll be ready. \u00a0We have the facts, our principles on our side.&#8221; \u00a0Is it enough?<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned Ms. Palmieri, because one of her statements about the email issue just brought me up short. \u00a0She said, &#8220;Well, you know what? \u00a0Four of the governors running for president of the Republican party, they also had private servers.&#8221; \u00a0And I&#8217;m thinking, &#8220;Did they deal with classified material, with C.I.A. matters?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>No, they were dealing with, &#8220;How do we fix the off-ramp off of Exit 70?&#8221; \u00a0And it&#8217;s the tenure quality of so much of what the Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, has exhibited this campaign, the 2008 campaign. \u00a0The distinction between her and her husband is monumental in terms of the kind of natural ability to deal with this. \u00a0Now look, every front runner going back decades has at one point or another faced these kinds of&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>The near-death experiment.<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>You never get off&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>The campaign near-death experience.<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>So I think the entire press corps, by the way, should switch to decaf, because everything&#8217;s over caffeinated.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve got to tell you, I got caught.<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>But there&#8217;s a problem here.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0Kimberly, let me get your take on this, but let me sneak in a commercial. \u00a0We&#8217;ll get your take after the break. \u00a0We&#8217;re going to be back in a moment. \u00a0The end game segment, and a question, by the way, at the end of it, how high can you get your cholesterol count in one day at the Iowa State Fair? \u00a0I\u2019ll prove it. \u00a0And I also have some new polls right after the break.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>* * *COMMERCIAL BREAK* * *<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right, end game time. \u00a0And of course the panel is back. \u00a0And before I go, I&#8217;ve got some new poll numbers I want to tell you on the Republican race. \u00a0But Kimberly, I want to ask you about the Hillary email situation, the potential for Biden jumping in. \u00a0Is this a good thing for the \u00a0Republican party? \u00a0Or do you think actually this is going to help the Democrats get their own enthusiasm in gear?<\/p>\n<p>KIMBERLEY STRASSEL:<\/p>\n<p>Look, I think it would be good for the Democratic party to have a good debate. \u00a0I mean, Hillary Clinton has made it sound for years that she is the only thing that they&#8217;ve got. \u00a0She is invincible. \u00a0And I think one of the good things about all of this discussion is that maybe it will inspire a little bit of debate. \u00a0And yeah, it probably will for the Republicans, it will be good for the Democrats to have a little bit of debate on their side.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, it will liven things up. \u00a0Let me first, Fox News just came out with a poll, we gave you that sort of poll last week telling you, and a lot of people were surprised about Carson and Cruz moving up in that poll we showed you last week. \u00a0Well, look it here, there&#8217;s a new Fox News poll this morning out. \u00a0Trump at 25, Carson and Cruz at 12 and ten. \u00a0Jeb Bush falling down to nine, Huckabee, Walker.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not going to let Jeff whine about polling here for a second. \u00a0I&#8217;m kidding. \u00a0But there is a pattern here, Gene. The outsiders have moved up in that debate. We said, all of us smart pundits said Rubio and Kasich did the best. They didn&#8217;t make the top six.<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Actually, there&#8217;s a pundit here, not necessarily so smart, but he said Trump did well and he said Carson was going to move up.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>There you go.<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>Well, there you go. \u00a0No, it&#8217;s clear. There&#8217;s this outsider thing happening this year. Now, outsider things sometimes happen and sometimes they fade over time. \u00a0But I think it&#8217;s very strong. \u00a0And there, look, you&#8217;re getting up into the 40%, if you add&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Add all that up, that&#8217;s right.<\/p>\n<p>EUGENE ROBINSON:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;all the outsiders together, you&#8217;re getting to a huge chunk of the Republican party.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s my favorite line of the week, Jeff Greenfield. \u00a0Ezra Klein was writing about Bernie Sanders, but he had this line. \u00a0&#8220;People get more pragmatic the closer they get to an actual vote.&#8221; \u00a0This is an issue that Carson&#8217;s going to have to deal with, Trump, Sanders, all of those folks.<\/p>\n<p>JEFF GREENFIELD:<\/p>\n<p>This is the period when people try on hats. \u00a0And I&#8217;d like to think I&#8217;m not whining. I&#8217;m pointing that we get nuts about this. 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