{"id":763,"date":"2015-04-19T13:09:59","date_gmt":"2015-04-19T17:09:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/press.nbcnews.com\/?p=763"},"modified":"2015-04-19T13:09:59","modified_gmt":"2015-04-19T17:09:59","slug":"meet-the-press-41915-mcauliffe-says-hillarys-message-is-economy-of-tomorrow-kasich-flirts-with-2016-lee-on-loretta-lynch-delay","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nbcuniversalnewsgroup.com\/nbcnews\/2015\/04\/19\/meet-the-press-41915-mcauliffe-says-hillarys-message-is-economy-of-tomorrow-kasich-flirts-with-2016-lee-on-loretta-lynch-delay\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cMEET THE PRESS\u201d 4\/19\/15 — MCAULIFFE SAYS HILLARY\u2019S MESSAGE IS \u201cECONOMY OF TOMORROW;\u201d KASICH FLIRTS WITH 2016; LEE ON LORETTA LYNCH DELAY"},"content":{"rendered":"

Gov. McAuliffe defends Hillary \u201cbankrupted\u201d comments, says Clintons went through \u201ctough financial times\u201d after White House<\/b><\/p>\n

Gov. Kasich: \u201call my options are on the table\u201d for 2016, says he has \u201cmore experience than anybody in the field\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

Sen. Lee: Loretta Lynch confirmation vote will happen \u201cwithin the next few weeks\u201d<\/b><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

APRIL 19, 2015 — Today\u2019s \u201cMeet the Press with Chuck Todd\u201d<\/strong> featured exclusive interviews with two key swing state governors: Democrat Terry McAuliffe<\/strong> of Virginia and Republican John Kasich<\/strong> of Ohio, who is weighing his own 2016 run; as well as an interview with Senator Mike Lee<\/strong> (R-UT) about Loretta Lynch\u2019s delayed confirmation vote and his colleagues running for president. The political panel featured former senior advisor to President Obama, David Axelrod<\/strong>, Kathleen Parker<\/strong> of the Washington Post<\/i>, Helene Cooper<\/strong> of the New York Times<\/i>, and former senior advisor to John McCain’s 2008 campaign, Steve Schmidt<\/strong>. \u00a0Today\u2019s Nerdscreen looked at how the rules that govern the use of marijuana are colored by the red\/blue divide.<\/p>\n

Below are highlights, video clips, and a rush transcript of today\u2019s program. Additional show video will be available online at MeetThePressNBC.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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McAuliffe on Republicans attacking Hillary: \u201cEvery second they’re not talking about how we move this great nation forward is great for Hillary Clinton\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: How do you look fresh, when you have a name from the past?<\/p>\n

TERRY MCAULIFFE: Well, first of all, I think it comes down to the issues. \u00a0What voters want is someone who’s going to lay out an agenda of how you move the country forward. \u00a0You see a lot of republican candidates spending all of their time attacking Hillary. \u00a0That’s great. \u00a0Let them do it. In my perspective, every second they’re not talking about how we move this great nation forward is great for Hillary Clinton. \u00a0Let her lay out her positive agenda.<\/p>\n

McAuliffe says Hillary\u2019s message is: \u201cHow do you build the economy of tomorrow, not yesterday?\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

TERRY MCAULIFFE: \u00a0Let me tell you, you give us the same rules, there is not a country in the globe that can compete with America. \u00a0\u2026 You give me a level playing field, nobody can beat us. \u00a0That’s Hillary’s message. \u00a0How do you build the economy of tomorrow, not yesterday? \u00a0How do you help families? \u00a0How do you provide pre-K, so that every child has access to early childhood? \u00a0How do you make sure everybody has access to healthcare? \u00a0A healthy, educated workforce, that is what our foundation of our nation is built on.<\/p>\n

McAuliffe on Clinton meeting voters: \u201cYour policies evolve because you’re talking to folks whose lives are impacted every single day.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

TERRY MCAULIFFE: She got in the van. \u00a0She drove out. \u00a0… \u00a0She went to a community college. \u00a0She took notes. \u00a0You learn. \u00a0I mean, that’s what the best part about running for office is, Chuck. You get to travel and meet folks. \u00a0I went into firehouses. \u00a0I spent an hour in a coal mine, talking to coal miners. \u00a0Your policies evolve, because you’re talking to folks whose lives are impacted every single day. \u00a0And she went out. \u00a0There’s time for the big rallies and all of that. \u00a0I thought it was great. \u00a0I want her to continue to do that, meet with the voters, talk to them. \u00a0Because they’ve got the answers. \u00a0They are living financial distress every day.<\/p>\n

McAuliffe defends Hillary\u2019s \u201cbankrupted\u201d quote: \u201cI cannot tell you the distress in that family at that time\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

TERRY MCAULIFFE: I don’t want to spend too much time going back to the late ’90s and 2000. \u00a0But I was with them. \u00a0I was a personal friend. \u00a0I’ve been friends with them since 1980. \u00a0I cannot tell you the distress in that family at that time with all the issues and all the legal fees, banks refusing to even give them a mortgage.<\/p>\n

So listen, people go through tough financial times. \u00a0You remember, I mean, Hillary’s mother, she was abandoned. \u00a0So that’s why Hillary’s always been a fighter that a child needs someone to be out there and to be a guardian for them. \u00a0She came up in a middle-class family.<\/p>\n

You look at her background. \u00a0And you can look at her today, obviously, you know, years later. \u00a0But her growing up from middle-class roots. \u00a0As I say, her own mother was abandoned. \u00a0You never forget that, Chuck. \u00a0That’s why Hillary is out every single day talking to voters about, “How can I make your life better?”<\/p>\n

Kasich: \u201cI still haven\u2019t decided\u201d on a 2016 presidential run but \u201call my options are on the table\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: \u00a0Are you running for president?<\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: Well, I still haven’t decided. … I haven’t decided yet. \u00a0But listen, yesterday, I was in South Carolina in the morning. \u00a0And then I was in New Hampshire in the afternoon. \u00a0It reminded me of Live Aid. \u00a0Remember when Phil Collins jetted from England over to Philadelphia? … Look, all my options are on the table here. \u00a0And I’m, you know, more and more serious, or I wouldn’t be doing these things. \u00a0And I have a pretty heavy schedule coming up, Chuck.<\/p>\n

Kasich: \u201cI don’t just talk about what I want to do. I can tell people what I\u2019ve done.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: If you thought [Jeb Bush] was the best candidate to be president of the United States, would you be exploring a run for president?<\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: Well, Chuck, I have more experience than anybody in the field. \u00a0I mean, that’s really what I have that stands out. \u00a0I mean, I don’t just talk about what I want to do. \u00a0I can tell people what I’ve done. \u00a0I mean, you think about it. \u00a0I was chairman of the Budget Committee, spent 10 years of my life to balance the budget. \u2026 And as a result of that, I think that qualifies me to be able to run the country, not just talking about what I’ve done but the whole concept of leadership Chuck. \u00a0Because that’s what we desperately need in this country is leadership that can bring people together to solve problems.<\/p>\n

Kasich defines \u201cextremism\u201d in the Republican party, says they\u00a0can fix things \u201cif we stop hanging out in our silos\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: What is extremism in the Republican Party these days?<\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: Dividers, people who want to divide with, you know, flowery rhetoric and attacks and all that. \u00a0The people in Ohio want to know is do you get both them and their problems? \u00a0\u2026 And remember, Ohio is a microcosm of America. \u00a0Now, if you cannot convince people that you understand their problems, and you’re going to try to fix them, you’re not going to win anything. \u00a0So you know, I’m not so much into the attack mode and all that other business. \u00a0I’m into solving problems.<\/p>\n

And frankly, Chuck, if we don’t solve problems, our children suffer. \u00a0Our families suffer, our communities. \u00a0And look at our country. \u00a0Around the world, our friends think we’re confused. \u00a0And our enemies are emboldened. \u00a0Because we’re not fixing anything in this country. \u00a0And we can, if we stop hanging out in our silos, thinking that we’ve got all the answers without realizing that you can compromise without losing your principles.<\/p>\n

Kasich reflects on his time at Lehman Brothers: “too much greed” on Wall Street<\/b><\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: \u00a0Wall Street is necessary because it helps move the financial operations of America forward. \u00a0But I’ll tell you the problem with Wall Street. \u00a0It’s too much about, “I’ve got to make money.” \u00a0There’s too much greed. \u00a0And that’s just part of what happens there. \u00a0So I’ve always argued, when I was–<\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: Lehman was too greedy?<\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: Oh, I think, on Wall Street, most of the bankers have to fight off the concept of greed. \u00a0Because you know what they say all the time up there? \u00a0They say, “Am I going to get paid?” \u00a0And that means, “What’s my big bonus going to be?” \u00a0Nothing wrong with that. \u00a0But here’s the problem. \u00a0If all you seek is money without values, then you’re bankrupt. \u00a0And so what I think is our financial community has to realize that there’s a moral underpinning.<\/p>\n

Kasich\u2019s two considerations in 2016 decision: family and \u201ctrying to determine if this is what the Lord wants\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: Why wouldn’t you run? \u00a0You’re exploring now actively. \u00a0What would convince you not to run?<\/p>\n

JOHN KASICH: Well, my family is a consideration. \u00a0And number two, the most important thing, what does the Lord want me to do with my life? \u00a0You know, He puts on Earth, all of us on Earth, to achieve certain purposes. \u00a0And I’m trying to determine if this is what the Lord wants. \u00a0And I’m not going to figure that out lying in bed and hoping lightning strikes. \u00a0So I’m out there, one foot in front of another, traveling aggressively. \u00a0We’ll see what happens, Chuck. \u00a0And you know what? \u00a0If it’s Sunday, it’s Meet the Press<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Sen. Mike Lee on delaying Loretta Lynch\u2019s confirmation vote: concerns focus on \u201cwhat President Obama did with our immigration code back in November\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: What is the endgame in delaying her nomination, considering all of the anger that many conservatives like yourself had toward Eric Holder?<\/p>\n

MIKE LEE: There are a lot of concerns with Loretta Lynch that focus a lot on what President Obama did with our immigration code back in November. \u00a0He basically rewrote–<\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: Loretta Lynch didn’t do that.<\/p>\n

MIKE LEE: No, she didn’t. \u00a0But when questioned in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on which I sit, she refused to acknowledge that there are limits to prosecutorial discretion, limits that must be taken into account, for example, when you have a president, effectively, undoing a huge swatch of federal law.<\/p>\n

Lee says Loretta Lynch confirmation vote will happen \u201cwithin the next few weeks\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: Do you think six months is reasonable? \u00a0I mean, do you think this has been a little ridiculous?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: I’m not going to say that it’s ridiculous. \u00a0I do think it’s ridiculous that the president rewrote the immigration code, and that he still hasn’t provided a full, legal explanation of what empowers him to do this. \u00a0And when you’ve got someone who’s been nominated to fill the highest legal role in his administration, and that person doesn’t come forward with an adequate legal explanation of either why the president was allowed to do this–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD: The courts are reviewing this now.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: The courts are reviewing it.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD: So it’s moot with her.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: But Congress, the Senate in particular, has a responsibility to review those who will be advising the president on legal matters. \u00a0And that’s what’s going on.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD: So you think there should be a vote now.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: I think there will be a vote soon.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD: What does soon mean?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: Within the next few weeks.<\/p>\n

Lee on his Senate colleagues Rubio, Cruz, and Paul running for president: \u201cI intend to be a supporter of all three of them\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD: Do you have a favorite among the three?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: You know, I really like all three of my Senate colleagues who are running for president. \u00a0And I intend to be a supporter of all three of them, as I possibly can.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD: What do you say to the criticism that says, “You know what? \u00a0The republicans shouldn’t nominate a senator. \u00a0Senators, they can’t run things. \u00a0Governors can run things.” \u00a0What do you say to that critique?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE: Well, the other side of that is that someone who has held federal office, you have the opportunity to do examine how they view federal issues, how they view their constitutional authority, given to the federal government, relative to the power that a governor wields in a state.<\/p>\n

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Video Clips from Today\u2019s Program<\/b><\/p>\n

Gov. John Kasich on 2016: ‘All My Options Are On the Table’<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OucpTg<\/a><\/p>\n

Gov. John Kasich on 2016: ‘I Have More Experience Than Anybody In the Field’<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1Jjtduu<\/a><\/p>\n

John Kasich: ‘What Does the Lord Want Me To Do With My Life?’<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1IZiSXZ<\/a><\/p>\n

Gov. McAuliffe: Hillary’s Message “Fits Perfectly” in Virginia<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DpneQq<\/a><\/p>\n

Gov. Terry McAuliffe: Hillary Clinton Won’t Forget Middle Class Roots<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1IZiLf4<\/a><\/p>\n

Mike Lee on Loretta Lynch: “There Will be a Vote Soon\u201d<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EgR0xg<\/a><\/p>\n

NERDSCREEN: The Marijuana Vote<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DzRN95<\/a><\/p>\n

How Would Bill Clinton Run Against Hillary Clinton?<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1G7ZLHJ<\/a><\/p>\n

Panel Discusses Hillary Clinton’s Logo<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OucIgJ<\/a><\/p>\n

#comPRESSed: \u201cMeet the Press\u201d highlights in under 2 minutes<\/p>\n

http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1yI69FM<\/a><\/p>\n

# # # <\/b><\/p>\n

Below is a RUSH transcript of this morning\u2019s broadcast — mandatory attribution to NBC News\u2019 \u201cMeet the Press.\u201d A final transcript of the program will be available at www.MeetThePressNBC.com.<\/b><\/p>\n

\u201cMEET THE PRESS WITH CHUCK TODD\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

April 19, 2015<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

MEET THE PRESS – APRIL 19, 2015<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

This Sunday, off and running. \u00a0Republicans in New Hampshire taking on Hillary.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

RAND PAUL:<\/p>\n

When Hillary Clinton travels, there’s going to need to be two planes, one for her entourage and one for her baggage.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

And Clinton trying to prove she still can’t stop thinking about tomorrow.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n

We need to be. \u00a0We have to be number one again.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

But is yesterday really gone? \u00a0And could we see a presidential announcement right here on the show? \u00a0Plus, breaking through the noise. \u00a0That gyrocopter incident, the flying mailman certainly got people talking, just not about what he wanted to be talking about. And lots of people are having fun with Hillary’s new logo. \u00a0Guess what? \u00a0So are we.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

I’m Chuck Todd. \u00a0And joining me to provide insight and analysis are former senior advisor to President Obama, David Axelrod, Kathleen Parker of the Washington Post<\/i>, Helene Cooper of the New York Times<\/i>, and former senior advisor to John McCain’s 2008 campaign, Steve Schmidt. \u00a0Welcome to Sunday. \u00a0It’s Meet the Press<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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ANNOUNCER:<\/p>\n

From NBC News in Washington, this is Meet the Press<\/i> with Chuck Todd.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Good morning. \u00a0Lots of course, 2016 politics on the show today. \u00a0But first, we have some breaking news overnight. \u00a0In a major rescue operation that is underway, hundreds feared drowned south of an Italian island of Lampedusa after a boat carrying as many as 700 migrants capsized in the Mediterranean Sea between North Africa and Italy. \u00a0Keir Simmons joins me now from London with the latest. \u00a0And Keir, there’s a fear that most of these 700 have already drowned.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

KEIR SIMMONS:<\/p>\n

There really is, Chuck. \u00a0Good morning. \u00a0That search and rescue operation is underway as we speak, involving Italian boats, the Maltese navy, and commercial vessels. \u00a0The Italian coast guard has said 24 bodies have been recovered. \u00a0And 28 people have survived, though one international organization is saying 49 were rescued and are being taken to Sicily.<\/p>\n

The sinking boat capsized at around midnight local time, which is more than 12 hours ago. \u00a0So the final numbers may be truly gut wrenching. \u00a0Hundreds still need rescuing. \u00a0But the hopes of finding more people alive after hours on the very cold sea appear to be dimming.<\/p>\n

And survivors say the vessel was carrying, as you say, Chuck, between 500 and 700 people. \u00a0That means this could be the deadliest recorded migrant tragedy on the Mediterranean ever. \u00a0So far this year, 900 people have been rescued trying to make the journey from North Africa to Europe. \u00a0900 people have been killed. \u00a0I’m sorry. \u00a010,000 have been rescued, Chuck.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

And Keir, let’s make this clear. \u00a0This is all stemming from the civil war in Libya as, basically, Libyans and other North Africans are just trying to flee and get to Europe, correct?<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

KEIR SIMMONS:<\/p>\n

That’s right. \u00a0That’s part of it, the disarray in Libya, across the Middle East. \u00a0These people come from right across that region. \u00a0What the European authorities face is a really difficult challenge. \u00a0Because plainly, they want to rescue people. \u00a0And at the same time, they don’t want to encourage people to make the journey. \u00a0So far, Chuck, they seem to be failing on both counts.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

All right. \u00a0Keir Simmons in London, tracking the story. \u00a0Keir, thanks very much. \u00a0Now of course, to the presidential race and our focus this morning. \u00a0There are 19 months to go until election day. \u00a0And ready for this? \u00a0Nineteen Republican candidates or potential candidates spent the weekend in New Hampshire.<\/p>\n

And they, apparently, had two goals. \u00a0One was to impress Republican primary voters. \u00a0And the other, bash Hillary Clinton. \u00a0Her announcement last week was, of course, no surprised, and neither was the fact that the Republican hopefuls saw a bigger target in Hillary Clinton than they did in President Obama anymore. \u00a0In fact, here’s a sample.<\/p>\n

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(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

TED CRUZ:<\/p>\n

As I was coming up, I was a little bit startled. \u00a0Because I could’ve sworn I saw Hillary’s Scooby-Doo <\/i>van outside.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

LINDSAY GRAHAM:<\/p>\n

Hillary Clinton couldn’t be here today, because we didn’t ask her.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

BOBBY JINDAL:<\/p>\n

It is absolutely critical that we beat Hillary Clinton come 2016.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

SCOTT WALKER:<\/p>\n

I doubt the presumptive nominee for the other party has ever been to Kohl’s before, let alone shopped in the last 18 or 20 years.<\/p>\n

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(END TAPE)<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

For her part, Hillary Clinton spent her first official week of campaigning meeting ordinary people or, at least, trying to leave the impression that she was meeting ordinary people. \u00a0But one hurdle she’s going to have to clear is to avoid being seen as the candidate of yesterday.<\/p>\n

Generationally, it’s a huge challenge, as Marco Rubio made clear earlier this week, during his announcement. \u00a0And ironically, for the Clintons, this is especially difficult, given that they are used to being on the other side of this generational campaign message.<\/p>\n

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(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n

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BILL CLINTON:<\/p>\n

I believe we need a new kind of leadership, leadership not mired in the politics of the past, leadership not tied to the old ideologies.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

From the moment he introduced himself as a presidential candidate back in 1991, Bill Clinton exploited a generational line of attack.<\/p>\n

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BILL CLINTON:<\/p>\n

We have the courage to change. The choice is as old as America, a choice between more of the same and fundamental change. The American people have voted to make a new beginning.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

The argument? \u00a0New ideas should trump experience. \u00a0And a candidate of the past could not win the future.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

BILL CLINTON:<\/p>\n

Where there is no vision, America will perish. \u00a0What is the vision of our new covenant?<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

Bill Clinton ran that campaign against two members of the GI generation in 1992 and 1996. Showing off his young family and running mate, disarming critics by facing awkward questions on the hip MTV.<\/p>\n

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AUDIENCE MEMBER:<\/p>\n

If you had to do it over again, would you inhale?<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

And famously playing the sax on Late Night<\/i>. It’s a campaign the Bill Clinton of two decades ago would be running against Hillary Clinton now.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

BILL CLINTON:<\/p>\n

With all respect, we do not need to build a bridge to the past. \u00a0We need to build a bridge to the future.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

Republican opponents are already borrowing the Bill Clinton playbook, exploiting the generation gap.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

MARCO RUBIO:<\/p>\n

Just yesterday, a leader from yesterday began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

SCOTT WALKER:<\/p>\n

I think about Hillary Clinton, I could run 20 years from now for president and still be about the same age as the former Secretary of State is right now.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD (V\/O):<\/p>\n

Hillary Clinton’s big hope, that her policy positions and, perhaps, her gender, will trump biography, particularly with young people.<\/p>\n

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(END TAPE)<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Of course, another challenge for secretary Clinton, after more than two decades on the political scene, she has a record, which requires massaging sometimes to get in line with today’s Democratic Party. \u00a0In fact, this week, she made it clear she has, quote, “evolved” on same-sex marriage.<\/p>\n

She no longer views it as a state issue and is urging the Supreme Court to rule it as a constitutional right. \u00a0She also clarified her position on driver’s licenses for undocumented immigrants. \u00a0She now supports state policies to issue them.<\/p>\n

She hedged on a third issue, though, trade. \u00a0We’ll talk about that and more now. \u00a0Because I’m joined by the democratic governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe. \u00a0He served, of course, as co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, an unabashed supporter of Secretary Clinton. \u00a0Governor McAuliffe, welcome back to Meet the Press<\/i>, I believe your first time as governor.<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

Yes.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Let me start with this issue of the past versus the future. \u00a0You saw sort of the greatest hits. \u00a0And this was very successful for Bill Clinton, running against Bob Dole, running against George H. W. Bush. \u00a0And now Hillary Clinton’s on the other side of this. \u00a0How do you look fresh, when you have a name from the past?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

Well, first of all, I think it comes down to the issues. \u00a0What voters want is someone who’s going to lay out an agenda of how you move the country forward. \u00a0You see a lot of Republican candidates spending all of their time attacking Hillary. \u00a0That’s great. \u00a0Let them do it.<\/p>\n

From my perspective, every second they’re not talking about how we move this great nation forward is great for Hillary Clinton. Let her lay out her positive agenda. \u00a0It’s what I did when I ran for governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia in 2013, he had an historic win.<\/p>\n

We broke a 38-year trend. \u00a0We talked about issues. \u00a0We talked about how you move the economy forward. \u00a0How do we make Virginia open and welcoming? \u00a0And today, you look at a Virginia, today, that\u2019s a year in office. \u00a0Our economy is booming, lowest unemployment rate in many years, $6.5 billion investment, double any governor of Virginia history. \u00a0We have brought people together in a bipartisan way around ideas. \u00a0And that’s what Hillary can do to this country. \u00a0And that’s what she will do.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

If she\u2019s going to be President of the United States, she’s going to have to carry the state of Virginia. \u00a0And because I’m curious, Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, he was on the show last week and talked about the reason he wasn’t ready to endorse her is because he wants to see a more progressive vision for her, which some people would say is to the left. \u00a0Can that play in Virginia?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

If you look at the agenda that I ran on, I think I was the first statewide candidate in the south. \u00a0I ran on marriage equality when I ran for governor. \u00a0I told women I would be a brick wall to protect their rights. \u00a0And I have done that as governor to make Virginia open and welcoming.<\/p>\n

What I have tried to do is get Virginia in line with 90% of the Fortune 500 companies. \u00a0I’m all about creating economic activity. \u00a0And those candidates that lay out an agenda, and I’m not talking about jobs. \u00a0I’m talking about careers, building the future.<\/p>\n

And when I talk about the education system, don’t talk to me about a degree. \u00a0Talk to me about a skillset. \u00a0All these issues that Hillary has championed on pre-K, reform in education, reform in our transportation system, we’ve done that in Virginia. \u00a0So her message fits perfectly on where we need to go in Virginia.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You say, her message, but we actually don’t know what her message is. \u00a0Let me just go here with trade here a minute. \u00a0You wrote in your book, What a Party,<\/i> that NAFTA was among President Clinton’s greatest accomplishments. \u00a0And she was a champion of NAFTA.<\/p>\n

She was a champion of some of these trade agreements, including one that’s being debated now. \u00a0It’s called the TPP. \u00a0It’s one having to do with Asian countries. \u00a0She was a big champion of it as Secretary. \u00a0And now, she’s trying to sort of walk a line here. \u00a0Because many in the base of the Democratic Party don’t trust anybody to negotiate a trade agreement, let alone a Democratic president or a Republican one.<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

And of course, the devil is in the details. \u00a0And that’s what we have to see in the trade agreement.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

But you’re a free trader. \u00a0You probably want to see this TPP thing go.<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

I want to see a trade deal that opens up markets to America, that creates jobs for Americans, makes sure we’re protecting their wages and benefits. \u00a0That’s what I want. \u00a0And I can tell you, in Virginia, I just announced, we\u2019re up 14% on our agriculture exports, $3.35 billion. \u00a0I travel the globe. \u00a0I was one of the most-traveled governors last year. \u00a0I went to China twice, Korea, Japan, Europe. \u00a0We have brought back so much business from around the globe. \u00a0So I have all–<\/p>\n

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Which means you can’t carry the state of Virginia, if you’re portrayed as a protectionist, can you?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

Nobody wants to be a protectionist. \u00a0I think I speak for everyone. \u00a0We want a trade deal that makes markets open. \u00a0Nobody can compete with us, Chuck, nobody in America. \u00a0But we’ve got to get fair rules. \u00a0We’ve got to be on the same playing field as everybody else.<\/p>\n

Let me tell you, you give us the same rules, there is not a country in the globe that can compete with America. \u00a0And I’ll tell you this, Virginia, our economy, is roaring. \u00a0Nobody can compete in Virginia: \u00a0low taxes, business-friendly environment, great educational institutions, lot of military assets, largest naval base in the world, deepest port in the east coast. \u00a0We have it all.<\/p>\n

You give me a level playing field, nobody can beat us. \u00a0That’s Hillary’s message. \u00a0How do you build the economy of tomorrow, not yesterday? \u00a0How do you help families? \u00a0How do you provide pre-K, so that every child has access to early childhood? \u00a0How do you make sure everybody has access to healthcare? \u00a0A healthy, educated workforce, that is what our foundation of our nation is built on.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

But as you know, presidential campaigns sometimes are about personal connections, are about honest and trustworthiness and things like that. \u00a0A poll in Virginia, a poll, by the way, that has a good approval rating for you, a majority of Virginians who approve of you, but another majority of Virginians did not think Hillary Clinton was honest and trustworthy. \u00a0What does she have to do to close that gap?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

Well, talk to the voters. \u00a0That’s why, actually, you know, I’m one of the few to actually talk about the roll out. \u00a0I thought it was spectacular, having been involved in the ’08 campaign.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You didn’t think it was too scripted?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

She got in the van. \u00a0She drove out. \u00a0She actually sat with, which is what I did when I ran for governor. \u00a0I visited every community college, first candidate as governor in Virginia. \u00a0She went to a community college. \u00a0She took notes. \u00a0You learn. \u00a0I mean, that’s what the best part about running for office is, Chuck.<\/p>\n

You get to travel and meet folks. \u00a0I went into firehouses. \u00a0I spent an hour in a coal mine, talking to coal miners. \u00a0Your policies evolve, because you’re talking to folks whose lives are impacted every single day. \u00a0And she went out. \u00a0There’s time for the big rallies and all of that. \u00a0I thought it was great. \u00a0I want her to continue to do that, meet with the voters, talk to them. \u00a0Because they’ve got the answers. \u00a0They are living financial distress every day.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

It’s funny you should bring up financial distress. \u00a0You had a fascinating quote in your book, that you quote Hillary Clinton. \u00a0And you talk about this. \u00a0“They have bankrupted us totally.” \u00a0This is Hillary Clinton. \u00a0This is you quoting her in your book.<\/p>\n

“They have bankrupted us totally. \u00a0We own nothing. \u00a0We didn’t own a car. \u00a0We didn’t own a house. \u00a0Here we were, 50 years old, and we owned nothing, nothing. \u00a0All the money we had, which we had brought into the White House, was gone. \u00a0I haven’t had any money for eight years. \u00a0So it was really horrible.”<\/p>\n

And this was why, you know, you helped them out, and you got a bridge loan for the house. \u00a0And I understand as a personal friend. \u00a0But a lot of people will see something like that and say, “You know what? \u00a0They didn’t have nothing. \u00a0They had huge earning power. \u00a0They had access. \u00a0They had nothing, compared to a lot of rich friends.” \u00a0Is this something she’s got to fix, if she’s going to connect with everyday Americans?<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

I don’t want to spend too much time going back to the late ’90s and 2000. \u00a0But I was with them. \u00a0I was a personal friend. \u00a0I’ve been friends with them since 1980. \u00a0I cannot tell you the distress in that family at that time with all the issues and all the legal fees, banks refusing to even give them a mortgage.<\/p>\n

So listen, people go through tough financial times. \u00a0You remember, I mean, Hillary’s mother, she was abandoned. \u00a0So that’s why Hillary’s always been a fighter that a child needs someone to be out there and to be a guardian for them. \u00a0She came up in a middle-class family.<\/p>\n

You look at her background. \u00a0And you can look at her today, obviously, you know, years later. \u00a0But her growing up from middle-class roots. \u00a0As I say, her own mother was abandoned. \u00a0You never forget that, Chuck. \u00a0That’s why Hillary is out every single day talking to voters about, “How can I make your life better?”<\/p>\n

Let the Republicans spend all their time attacking her. \u00a0That’s fine. \u00a0You need a positive agenda of how you move folks forward. \u00a0As I say, you mentioned that I have nice approval ratings in Virginia. \u00a0Why? \u00a0I do exactly what I said I’d do. \u00a0People are sick and tired of the dysfunction with politicians not doing what they say they’re going to do. \u00a0We’re doing what we said we would do. \u00a0And you know what? \u00a0Our economy’s moving forward, and people are happy.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Well, I will check back in with you on that as this campaign wears on. \u00a0Governor McAuliffe, good to see you.<\/p>\n

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TERRY MCAULIFFE:<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Thanks for coming on. \u00a0Time now to bring in the panel, David Axelrod, Kathleen Parker, Helene Cooper, and Steve Schmidt. \u00a0Mr. Schmidt, let me start with you. \u00a0You assess the Hillary Clinton rollout. \u00a0What did you think? \u00a0You know, we know Governor McAuliffe was for it.<\/p>\n

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It would be weird if he wasn’t. I thought it was a good one. But what did you think?<\/p>\n

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STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

Look, it\u2019s so contrived, so inauthentic. \u00a0It’s almost difficult to articulate it. \u00a0She talks about meeting real voters. \u00a0But in the one instance, when she walks into a store, where there’s an opportunity, the Chipotle, to actually talk to voters, remains in silence in disguise behind dark glasses.<\/p>\n

Bashes hedge fund managers, at the same time, her campaign is raising the first of its maybe nearly $2 billion in donations from hedge fund managers. \u00a0The dissonance between what she says and the reality, is startling. \u00a0And all campaigns, at the end of the day, for president, are a choice between change and more of the same.<\/p>\n

And we\u2019ve never as a country, once we’ve made generational change, moving from the Baby Boomer generation to Barack Obama’s election, have ever gone back. \u00a0And so I think when you look at the intensity of the republican fire on her in this manner, talking about, “This is the future versus the past,” I think it’s a very cutting very effective line of attack, the early framing.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Helene, what did you make of sort of the saturation coverage of it all too? \u00a0I mean, I don’t know if we, in the media, looked our best watching the running around and chasing her and all this stuff for what were very scripted events.<\/p>\n

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HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

I think that it’s probably true but that was always going to be the case. \u00a0There’s no way that Hillary Clinton’s rollout wasn’t going to get just a deluge of press coverage. \u00a0I disagree with Steve, though. \u00a0Because I think that her rollout, was actually I thought it was better than I expected.<\/p>\n

Frank Bruni had a really good column in the New York Times <\/i>today about the whole idea of Hillary shelving, taking the crown off. \u00a0I think what she showed in getting on that bus and going to Iowa is, “Okay, America.” \u00a0It appears as if she’s saying, “I heard you. \u00a0I heard your criticism about 2007 and 2008 and this aura of inevitability. \u00a0I’m going to take it off.”<\/p>\n

That video, I thought, even though it seems like it was very polarizing, and people have been discussing it and seem to either love it or hate it. \u00a0But this is the first time now, in the last few months that this campaign season has begun, that it’s like we’re finally hearing the democratic argument. \u00a0We’ve been listening to the republicans for the last few months very loud and vociferously. \u00a0And now you’re seeing a gay couple on the screen in this video and all of that. \u00a0And that seems much more forward, I thought.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You want to jump in here?<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

I so want to jump in here.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Yes, I could tell.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

No, I agree more with Steve, let’s just start there, than I do with Helene. \u00a0I thought I was so disappointed in that rollout and in everything that’s followed. \u00a0I mean, Hillary Clinton, if you meet her in person, she’s engaging. \u00a0She’s warm. \u00a0She’s charming. \u00a0She’s all those things.<\/p>\n

But the American people are not seeing that. \u00a0And I don’t care. \u00a0But after 25, 30 years living on the public dole, essentially, and I’m sorry for the language. \u00a0I’m just so wound up. \u00a0You know, she– she– you don’t just get in the Scooby-Doo<\/i> van and go out into the hustings and say, “I’m here. \u00a0I’m one of you. \u00a0I’m with you. \u00a0And now I’m going to listen.” \u00a0And what? \u00a0You have, like, four people sitting around you. \u00a0And everything she has to let this inner Ayatollah get out of her head.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

It\u2019s funny you say this, David, I have to say, I thought she created a bunch of opportunities to be unscripted and spontaneous and then didn’t take them. \u00a0Look, I mean, I said here the first day. \u00a0And you’re like, “Oh, the road trip, that’s a good idea. \u00a0That is different.” \u00a0But then there was no unscripted moment on the road trip.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

Well, one of the things that we do in this town, you know, president elections are marathons. \u00a0And we tend to judge every quarter mile. \u00a0This is the beginning–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Quarter mile?<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

This is the beginning–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

It’s sooner than that.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

This is the beginning of a long process. \u00a0She’s not going to solve all her problems with one rollout. \u00a0I thought there was a humility to her rollout that was very, very effective. \u00a0Yes, I agree with you. \u00a0Like, I would do more unscripted, drop in on diners, drop in on taverns, interact with people. \u00a0Because you authenticate these interactions by working without a net. \u00a0And I think she has to do some of that. \u00a0But I thought it was a good beginning.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

How about without the sunglasses. \u00a0I mean, we could start there. \u00a0You know, walking around–<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

She was filmed on a security camera. I think that\u2019s a little unfair.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

No, I’m just saying she just wanted to have lunch. \u00a0But even so, you’re a candidate. \u00a0Why not make the most of that opportunity?<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

I promise you–We will have more Hillary Clinton later in the show. \u00a0All right, a quick programming note, by the way. \u00a0Chris Matthews will be sitting down with President Obama. \u00a0The interview will air this Tuesday on Hardball<\/i> on MSNBC at 7:00 eastern. \u00a0President Obama playing hardball with Chris. \u00a0When we come back, the man who could soon become a pretty big player in the republican race for the presidency, the governor of one of the most important swing states in the country, John Kasich.<\/p>\n

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***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Welcome back. \u00a0As we said, 19 Republican presidential hopefuls have been making their case in New Hampshire this weekend. \u00a0We’ll give you extra points, if you can name all 19 that addressed the New Hampshire crowd there. \u00a0There were some household names, like Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio.<\/p>\n

There were some long shots there, like John Bolton and Jim Gilmore. \u00a0And one name that shouldn’t be discounted was also there, Ohio Governor, John Kasich. \u00a0He says he’s seriously considering joining the 2016 race. \u00a0The 62-year-old married father of two boasts a 65% approval rating after winning reelection by a stunning 40 points last fall in the key swing state.<\/p>\n

His resume includes 18 years in Congress, including a stint as chairman of the Budget Committee. \u00a0After Congress, he went to Fox as an anchor and then became a managing director at Lehman Brothers before it collapsed. \u00a0He’s evolved from a budget-balancing congressman to a bit of a combative governor in the first year or two of his first term to being now seen as a more pragmatic conservative who is now exploring a run for the White House in the way that he did 16 years ago.<\/p>\n

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(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n

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TIM RUSSERT:<\/p>\n

Do you have an announcement?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Yeah. \u00a0Tomorrow, I’m going to formally announce my exploratory committee to run for president of the United States.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Well, Governor Kasich joins me now. \u00a0That was Congressman Kasich. \u00a0I hope we’ve provided you a video, so you can see your old self there. \u00a0Governor, 16 years ago and two months, that was your response to Tim Russert. \u00a0What do you have? \u00a0Are you running for president?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Well, I still haven’t decided. \u00a0That was great. \u00a0I wish I could’ve seen it. \u00a0But my hair didn’t look very good. \u00a0I haven’t decided yet. \u00a0But listen, yesterday, I was in South Carolina in the morning. \u00a0And then I was in New Hampshire in the afternoon. \u00a0It reminded me of Live Aid. \u00a0Remember when Phil Collins jetted from England over to Philadelphia?<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You’re dating yourself with Live Aid, yeah.<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Yeah, I know. \u00a0I know. \u00a0I know. \u00a0But anyway, look, all my options are on the table here. \u00a0And I’m, you know, more and more serious, or I wouldn’t be doing these things. \u00a0And I have a pretty heavy schedule coming up, Chuck. \u00a0And look, you know, the reason why I feel I should be in there is I’ve had foreign policy, national security experience.<\/p>\n

I was chairman of the Budget Committee. \u00a0We actually balanced the budget, got results. \u00a0And the economy got better. \u00a0As governor of the state, I inherited a total mess. \u00a0And at the end of the say, we’re running surpluses, the largest tax cuts in the country.<\/p>\n

We’ve reformed government. \u00a0And of course, as you know, we have not ignored those who live in the shadows, the mentally ill, the drug addicted. \u00a0And as a result of the growing economy, and as a result of giving people in Ohio, increasingly, a sense that they’re included, you know, I had a terrific election victory, 86 out of 88 counties. \u00a0And I won Cuyahoga County, which Barack Obama won by 40 points, you know? \u00a0So it’s pretty cool.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

16 years ago, your candidacy didn’t get off the ground. \u00a0And much of it had to do with a guy named Bush. \u00a0And much of it had to do with a fundraising juggernaut that was a guy named Bush. \u00a016 years later, you’re thinking about running for president again. \u00a0And there’s a guy named Bush in the field. \u00a0Is his fundraising–<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

It’s d\u00e9j\u00e0 vu all over again.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

If you thought he was the best candidate to be president of the United States, would you be exploring a run for president?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Well, Chuck, I have more experience than anybody in the field. \u00a0I mean, that’s really what I have that stands out. \u00a0I mean, I don’t just talk about what I want to do. \u00a0I can tell people what I’ve done. \u00a0I mean, you think about it. \u00a0I was chairman of the Budget Committee, spent 10 years of my life to balance the budget.<\/p>\n

And then in ’97, we got an agreement where we paid down the largest amount of the publicly held debt. \u00a0We cut the capital gains tax. \u00a0I was involved in military reform, got one of the best records in the country as a governor. \u00a0So I don’t just talk about things. \u00a0I’m doing things.<\/p>\n

And as a result of that, I think that qualifies me to be able to run the country, not just talking about what I’ve done but the whole concept of leadership Chuck. \u00a0Because that’s what we desperately need in this country is leadership that can bring people together to solve problems.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Well, it’s a big question mark about your candidacy. \u00a0Forget resources a minute, it has to do with ideology. \u00a0I think there were anonymous fliers handed out at your South Carolina event yesterday that basically said, “Why do you promote Barack Obama’s agenda?”<\/p>\n

They were talking about you deciding to take the Medicaid money and having to do that was connected with health care. \u00a0But you said something to this when you were asked about whether you were conservative enough. \u00a0You said this to CNN. \u00a0“A republican can’t be elected president without winning Ohio. \u00a0And if they’re going to cover Ohio, extremism isn’t going to work.” \u00a0What did you mean by extremism? \u00a0What is extremism in the Republican Party these days?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Dividers, people who want to divide with, you know, flowery rhetoric and attacks and all that. \u00a0The people in Ohio want to know is do you get both them and their problems? \u00a0See, in other words, I love the fact that they put those fliers out. \u00a0That means somebody’s taking me seriously, Chuck. \u00a0I thought that was really terrific.<\/p>\n

But here’s the thing. \u00a0Everybody knows somebody who suffers, in some way or another, from the problem of mental illness, whether it’s depression, bipolar. \u00a0Everybody, unfortunately, increasingly in America, knows about somebody who has an addiction problem.<\/p>\n

Everybody in America knows we need to get the working poor on their feet, so they can do better. \u00a0And everybody knows that we have to have a strong economy. \u00a0Because it all starts with that. \u00a0Now, that is a message that no only, in my opinion, appeals to conservative republicans. \u00a0I think it appeals to Americans.<\/p>\n

And remember, Ohio is a microcosm of America. \u00a0Now, if you cannot convince people that you understand their problems, and you’re going to try to fix them. \u00a0You’re not going to win anything. \u00a0So you know, I’m not so much into the attack mode and all that other business. \u00a0I’m into solving problems.<\/p>\n

And frankly, Chuck, if we don’t solve problems, our children suffer. \u00a0Our families suffer, our communities. \u00a0And look at our country. \u00a0Around the world, our friends think we’re confused. \u00a0And our enemies are emboldened. \u00a0Because we’re not fixing anything in this country. \u00a0And we can, if we stop hanging out in our silos, thinking that we’ve got all the answers without realizing that you can compromise without losing your principles.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Now, the job you had before you started running for governor was managing director at Lehman Brothers. \u00a0Lehman Brothers, of course, famously collapsed, started the financial fall. \u00a0Can you tell me this? \u00a0You were at Lehman Brothers. \u00a0What did you learn from that experience that makes you think that this won’t happen again? \u00a0Have we corrected the problems to make sure this won’t happen again? \u00a0And should we have rescued Lehmann? \u00a0Should the government have bailed it out?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

You know, look, that’s past history. \u00a0Here’s what I will tell you. \u00a0Wall Street is necessary. \u00a0Because it helps move the financial operations of America forward. \u00a0But I’ll tell you the problem with Wall Street. \u00a0It’s too much about, “I’ve got to make money.” \u00a0There’s too much greed. \u00a0And that’s just part of what happens there. \u00a0So I’ve always argued, when I was–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Lehman was too greedy?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Oh, I think, on Wall Street, most of the bankers have to fight off the concept of greed. \u00a0Because you know what they say all the time up there? \u00a0They say, “Am I going to get paid?” \u00a0And that means, “What’s my big bonus going to be?” \u00a0Nothing wrong with that.<\/p>\n

But here’s the problem. \u00a0If all you seek is money without values, then you’re bankrupt. \u00a0And so what I think is our financial community has to realize that there’s a moral underpinning. \u00a0You know, Michael Novak, the great theologian, talks about it.<\/p>\n

Free enterprise, free markets, exactly what we ought to have in America. \u00a0But there has to be a conscience that underlays it. \u00a0Now, let me tell you the greatest thing I got from Lehmann is I spent a lot of time in the Silicon Valley, Chuck. \u00a0And you know, when I went out there, I could see the future. \u00a0And that’s what we have to be about in America, bringing ourselves together, innovating, you know, in terms of innovation and vision.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Very quickly, why wouldn’t you run? \u00a0You’re exploring now actively. \u00a0What would convince you not to run?<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Well, my family is a consideration. \u00a0And number two, the most important thing, what does the lord want me to do with my life? \u00a0You know, he puts on Earth, all of us on Earth, to achieve certain purposes. \u00a0And I’m trying to determine if this is what the lord wants.<\/p>\n

And I’m not going to figure that out lying in bed and hoping lightning strikes. \u00a0So I’m out there, one foot in front of another, traveling aggressively. \u00a0We’ll see what happens, Chuck. \u00a0And you know what? \u00a0If it’s Sunday, it’s Meet the Press<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Well, I appreciate that. \u00a0As soon as you’re ready to announce your decision, we’ll see you right back here, sir.<\/p>\n

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JOHN KASICH:<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Thanks for being on. \u00a0Tomorrow, by the way, Meet the Press<\/i> and NBC News are introducing a great new afternoon newsletter we’re calling The Lid<\/i>. \u00a0Monday through Friday, we’ll deliver your dose of 2016 news directly to your inbox to go along, of course, with First Read<\/i>, which is your morning must-read political email. \u00a0We know that already. \u00a0Find out how to sign up for both of these great newsletters at MeetThePressNBC.com. \u00a0All right, up next, what happens when you get the whole world talking, just not about the thing that you wanted them talking about?<\/p>\n

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And we are back. \u00a0Protest is ingrained in the DNA of this country. \u00a0Unrest at the unfair taxes by the British eventually grew into War of Independence and the founding of the United States. \u00a0And here in Washington, two very different kinds of protest movements have garnered attention this week.<\/p>\n

Yesterday, thousands gathered on the Mall for what now is an Earth Day concert to highlight climate change. \u00a0Though it doesn\u2019t seem as though what was once an actual protest movement to bring attention to the environment, it basically turned into an opportunity to enjoy nice weather and see acts like No Doubt and Usher.<\/p>\n

But on Wednesday, we had an old-fashioned protest movement. \u00a0Doug Hughes, a postman from Florida, managed to pilot a gyrocopter through restricted airspace to the Capitol. \u00a0He wanted to do a political protest on this with campaign finance laws.<\/p>\n

But if he was hoping to generate headlines, he did succeed. \u00a0But it wasn’t on the issue he was focused on. \u00a0It was, of course, on security. \u00a0I want to bring in the panel here. \u00a0Because I find that, like, political protests these days, I guess it’s harder and harder to stand out, David.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

Yeah, yeah. \u00a0I’ll say this. Yeah, I give anybody credit who can land anything on Capitol Hill these days. \u00a0But no, I think, clearly, most of the country doesn’t know that this was about campaign finance reform. \u00a0And with the security concerns we have, that really was what was underscored by that. \u00a0I don’t think he achieved his objective, although, we’re talking about him today.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

No, and I agree. \u00a0I guess what should have been our responsibility, Kathleen? \u00a0You know, it’s sort of funny. \u00a0All the stories are about the security, should we have shot down the gyrocopter and things like that. \u00a0You know, like, some people wondered, “Okay, if we used that in the Boston Tea Party, would the focus have been, ‘What have they done to the harbor? \u00a0You know, they poisoned the harbor.'”<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

Yeah, well, I’m very glad they didn’t shoot him down. \u00a0But I mean, he must’ve been willing. \u00a0He says he did not expect that he would be harmed. \u00a0But there’s an aspect of danger there for sure that he must’ve, you know, he was sort of submitting himself as a martyr almost. \u00a0But I think, ultimately, in the longer run, the next day, he’s going to have had some effect. \u00a0Because we are talking about campaign finance reform. \u00a0At least it’s on the tips of our tongue.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

I’m writing about campaign finance reform tomorrow. \u00a0Therefore, we’re talking about.<\/p>\n

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STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

What we’re talking about is extraordinary bad judgement of an epic scale. \u00a0When you look at the security issues of Washington, DC, the incidents that have taken place at the White House over the last year, it’s just extraordinary. \u00a0He endangered himself. \u00a0He endangered other people. \u00a0The security issues this city faces around the Capitol, around the White House, aren’t a joke. \u00a0Just extraordinary in his lack of judgement.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Okay. \u00a0Now, you look at him. \u00a0He had a letter. \u00a0Let me give you a little excerpt from his letter here that he was trying to deliver to these members of Congress. \u00a0He said this. \u00a0“As a member of Congress,” Helene, “you have three options. \u00a0You may pretend corruption does not exist. \u00a0You may pretend to oppose corruption while you sabotage reform, or you may actively participate in real reform.”<\/p>\n

If he’d simply mailed these letters, nobody would’ve noticed. \u00a0So he was looking for an extreme measure. \u00a0You know, look, the pro-life movement, there are some that take more extreme measures. \u00a0Around this town, you see pictures of fetuses. \u00a0And people take a step back. \u00a0But at the same time, a radical protest idea does draw attention.<\/p>\n

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HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

It’s just that it’s campaign finance reform. \u00a0I can’t get–<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

It was the wrong method. \u00a0Look, this is a huge issue. \u00a0We’re being flooded with money. \u00a0And it is corrupting.<\/p>\n

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HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

But Steve is right. \u00a0This was not the right method to deliver that message.<\/p>\n

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HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

Well, we’re also talking about one guy. \u00a0This is one guy. \u00a0This is not a movement. \u00a0This is not exactly the Boston Tea Party.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Let’s go quickly to campaign finance reform.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

This is a guy who’s made it to Meet the Press<\/i>. \u00a0He’s made some impact.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

We bring up campaign finance reform. \u00a0Actually, it was one of the few issues that Hillary Clinton took a stand on in Iowa, where she called for the constitutional amendment to deal with this issue. \u00a0And at the same time, her aides are saying she’s going to raise $2.5 billion.<\/p>\n

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HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

He should’ve landed his gyrocopter on top of Scooby-Doo, <\/i>if that’s where we are in politics. \u00a0But no, as this proceeds, as this campaign proceeds, and we see all of this ginormous amount of money being funneled to these candidates, I mean, a lot of Republicans are really still upset about McCain-Feingold. \u00a0Because that created all these opportunities for the mega-dollars that are not identified, the sources of which are not identified. \u00a0And that’s going to be a continuing problem, as long as we have this sort of system in place.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

You know, Helene’s reaction is the way most Americans do react on campaign finance. \u00a0And the things is, nothing changes. \u00a0John McCain has always had this right, Steve. \u00a0Nothing changes, until there’s an actual scandal.<\/p>\n

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STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

Well, there’s not an actual scandal, because we’ve legalized what used to be scandalous in the process.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

But we’ll see. \u00a0There could be one that ends up feeling scandalous when we get the feeling that someone purchased a policy position. \u00a0Anyway, when we come back, those new marijuana laws. \u00a0Turns out, whether you can smoke may depend on how you vote.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Nerd Screen time. This Sunday, it\u2019s all about the fight over the legalization of marijuana and how the rules regarding those green plants are colored by the nation’s red-blue divide. \u00a0By the way, over the next 24 hours, expect to read a lot more about marijuana than the other 364 days a year, anyway.<\/p>\n

Currently 23 states and the District of Columbia have relaxed rules regarding the sale and consumption of marijuana. \u00a0And of course, polls show that a majority of Americans support some form of legalizing the drug. \u00a0But even in those states where it is legal, the marijuana rules at the local level are a bit more complicated and somewhat partisan.<\/p>\n

The most interesting example, of course, is the state of Colorado, one of the first ones to legalize recreational use. \u00a0It is perhaps, right now, our best laboratory on the whole idea. \u00a0In fact, take a look at this on the political side of things.<\/p>\n

Only 21 of the state’s 64 counties actually allow retail marijuana shops. \u00a0That’s how the rule works. \u00a0Counties can decide whether they want to do this. \u00a0Well, others that haven’t allowed it only allow medical marijuana dispensaries or completely have banned the sale altogether. \u00a0Now, when you compare the map in Colorado that allow it to the 2012 presidential election results map, nobody’s surprised that a clear pattern emerges. \u00a0In fact, take a look at this. \u00a0Of the 21 counties that allow recreational sales, 18 of them are blue counties. \u00a0They voted for President Obama.<\/p>\n

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So there’s the political lay of the land. \u00a0How about how the law has been implemented? \u00a0As to the larger debate about the fear of an addiction plague, we searched. \u00a0And on that front, the data’s still not in yet. \u00a0There’s definitely some study going on.<\/p>\n

As to the economic impact, well, here’s what we know. \u00a0Receipts from taxes, licenses, and fees have been lower than the Colorado governor had predicted, at least so far. \u00a0So then it leads to the discussion, is it a novelty that will wear off? \u00a0Or is this simply an industry that is still trying to get going?<\/p>\n

One thing we do know, marijuana legalization is gaining momentum nationally. \u00a0And we’re likely to see this debate expand to more and more communities in 2016. \u00a0Why? \u00a0Some key swing states, including Ohio and Florida, are going to have marijuana, in some form, on the ballot. \u00a0For more on this, check out our website. \u00a0We’ll be right back.<\/p>\n

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When people think of Tea Party republicans in the Senate, they immediate may think of those that are running for president right now, the likes of Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio. \u00a0But if you ask those three \u00a0senators that I just mentioned who they’d regard as sort of the intellectual backbone of the reformed conservative movement here in Washington, they’d name just one senator, Mike Lee of Utah. \u00a0And he’s got a new book out, Our Lost Constitution<\/i>. \u00a0And he joins me now. \u00a0Senator Lee, welcome back to Meet the Press<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Congrats on the book. \u00a0I want to get to it in a minute. \u00a0But let me get to a piece of Senate business. \u00a0Jeb Bush had this to say about the Loretta Lynch delay. \u00a0Here’s what he said.<\/p>\n

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JEB BUSH:<\/p>\n

I think presidents have the right to pick their team, in general. \u00a0If someone is supportive of the president’s policies, whether you agree with them or not, there should be some deference to the executive. \u00a0This should not always be partisan. \u00a0The longer it takes to confirm her, the longer Eric Holder stays as attorney general.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

That’s been the part of this that I’ve never understood. \u00a0What is the endgame in delaying her nomination, considering all of the anger that many conservatives like yourself had toward Eric Holder?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

There are a lot of concerns with Loretta Lynch that focus a lot on what President Obama did with our immigration code back in November. \u00a0He basically rewrote–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Loretta Lynch didn’t do that.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

No, she didn’t. \u00a0But when questioned in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on which I sit, she refused to acknowledge that there are limits to prosecutorial discretion, limits that must be taken into account, for example, when you have a president, effectively, undoing a huge swatch of federal law.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Give her a vote. Vote against her. \u00a0By why not just give her a vote?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

I’m certain that she’s going to get a vote. \u00a0I’m not sure exactly what the timing of that’s going to be. \u00a0But it’s going to happen.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You think six months is reasonable? \u00a0I mean, do you think this has been a little ridiculous?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

I’m not going to say that it’s ridiculous. \u00a0I do think it’s ridiculous that the president rewrote the immigration code, and that he still hasn’t provided a full, legal explanation of what empowers him to do this. \u00a0And when you’ve got someone who’s been nominated to fill the highest legal role in his administration, and that person doesn’t come forward with an adequate legal explanation of either why the president was allowed to do this–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

The courts are reviewing this now.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

The courts are reviewing it.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

So it’s moot with her.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

But Congress, the Senate in particular, has a responsibility to review those who will be advising the president on legal matters. \u00a0And that’s what’s going on.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

So you think there should be a vote now.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

I think there will be a vote soon.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

What does soon mean?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

Within the next few weeks.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Let’s go to the presidential race. \u00a0As you\u2019ve pointed out, three friends running. \u00a0But there’s one that you’ve got a plan that is going to get debated a lot. \u00a0And it’s this tax plan that you’ve done with Marco Rubio. \u00a0What’s interesting about it is that it seems to– You get hit from both sides on this one.<\/p>\n

Some conservatives aren’t happy. \u00a0It lowers marginal rates only from 39 to 35. \u00a0A lot of conservatives want it much lower than that. \u00a0And you keep a progressive tax rate there, 15 and 35. \u00a0But it also increases the deficit by a lot, by billions of dollars in the first five years. \u00a0And it takes, even with dynamic scoring, and I don’t want to get into that for our viewers this morning, it could take over a decade before it rights itself. \u00a0Do you think this tax plan can withstand scrutiny?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

I do. \u00a0I do. \u00a0Because this is a pro-growth, pro-family tax reform, one that dramatically simplifies the code at a time when Americans have just experienced their annual tax day, at a time when our tax freedom day keeps getting pushed out further and further.<\/p>\n

The American people are tired of a tax code that, 100 years ago, was a few hundred pages long, today, is 75,000 pages long. \u00a0They’re ready for reform. \u00a0They’re ready for tax code simplification. \u00a0My tax reform plan would get rid of the marriage tax penalty, which is a concern to many people. \u00a0It gets rid of the parent tax penalty. \u00a0And it would provide a new child tax credit to help get rid of that parent tax penalty.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Do you have a favorite among the three?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

You know, I really like all three of my Senate colleagues who are running for president. \u00a0And I intend to be a supporter of all three of them, as I possibly can.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

What do you say to the criticism that says, “You know what? \u00a0The republicans shouldn’t nominate a senator. \u00a0Senators, they can’t run things. \u00a0Governors can run things.” \u00a0What do you say to that critique?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

Well, the other side of that is that someone who has held federal office, you have the opportunity to do examine how they view federal issues, how they view their constitutional authority, given to the federal government, relative to the power that a governor wields in a state.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You and I are going to have a longer conversation about your book on Press Pass. \u00a0<\/i>But I’m curious. \u00a0You call it Our Lost Constitution.<\/i> \u00a0Do you think the Constitution is a living document? \u00a0Or do you believe it is sort of as written, a strict sort of document that shouldn’t be over-interpreted?<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

It’s written in such a way that it can be amended with time. \u00a0Over time, it can be amended. \u00a0And it has been amended 27 times. \u00a0But once it’s written, once its provisions are put in place, we need to follow it. \u00a0And if it’s not up to date, then we need to amend it from time to time, just as we have.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

So that’s how you would change it, amend it only, not trying to reinterpret it.<\/p>\n

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MIKE LEE:<\/p>\n

Well, we reinterpret it for the times, certainly. \u00a0I mean, for example, the founding fathers didn’t contemplate interstate air travel. \u00a0But it fits comfortably within the commerce clause, as I explain in the book, to regulate channels and instrumentalities of interstate commerce, like interstate airways, even though they didn’t contemplate that specific thing.<\/p>\n

What I explain in my book, the reason I wrote Our Lost Constitution<\/i> is because we’ve drifted so far from the founding generation’s understanding that this is supposed to be a limited purpose government. \u00a0And there are a number of provisions, a half dozen of which I profile in the book, that we’ve neglected entirely. \u00a0We need to restore them.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

All right. \u00a0Well, maybe the country needs a constitutional convention. That would give us a nice little education on that. Senator Lee, thanks for coming on Meet the Press<\/i>. Appreciate it. We\u2019ll be back in less than a minute with End Game.<\/p>\n

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Welcome back. \u00a0Before the panel weighs in for End Game, this Sunday marks the 20th anniversary of the worst act of homegrown terrorism in American history, the truck bomb attack on Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people and injured hundreds more.<\/p>\n

Go to our website to see archive around Tom Brokaw’s reporting from the scene 20 years ago as well as a link to an article on the anniversary, that he wrote for U.S.A. Today<\/i>, where he says, in part, “It was a time to show the world the human qualities of faith, community, the rule of law, memory, and a commitment to the future. \u00a0And in this current atmosphere, others would do well to take note.”<\/p>\n

Those were great words. \u00a0And I have to say, Oklahoma City has done a tremendous job, essentially, to rebrand itself. \u00a0Nobody now thinks of Oklahoma City as that. \u00a0They think of Kevin Durant. \u00a0They think of a lot of positive things now. \u00a0It’s good for that. \u00a0I want to go quickly to Loretta Lynch. \u00a0Six months, Kathleen. \u00a0I mean, this is sort of, just give her a vote. \u00a0How has this happened?<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

Well, you know, I think the Republicans often pick the wrong battles. \u00a0But they did want to use– you know, they wanted certain language in the human trafficking bill. \u00a0And they are satisfied that they’ve gotten now what they want. \u00a0And I spoke to Senator McConnell’s office yesterday. \u00a0And I’m told that she will be brought to a vote Wednesday night at the latest, and that most likely, the most likely prediction is a 51–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

That she’ll get through. \u00a0We know the three or four that’ll get through. \u00a0But Steve, it seems to me they picked a fight that they didn’t know how to win.<\/p>\n

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STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

It’s not a smart political fight. \u00a0And Jeb Bush is right about the deference that should be afforded the executive with regard to qualified nominees. \u00a0This process has been broken for some time. \u00a0There have been great sins by both parties.<\/p>\n

But the question that Senator Lee brought up, which is, the chief law enforcement officer of the country being unresponsive to a question about limits on executive authority with regard to this very important question. \u00a0It’s now moving through the appeals process and, ultimately, through the Supreme Court with regard to, in the view of many of us, the President’s great overreach regarding immigration laws. \u00a0And I say this as someone who has been a longtime champion of immigration reform.<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

It’s in the courts.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

That’s the point. \u00a0The President has a legal point of view on this issue. \u00a0It’s–<\/p>\n

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CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

It’s a point of view. \u00a0We don’t know if he’s right.<\/p>\n

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DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

Well, but that’s for the courts to decide. \u00a0But you wouldn’t expect his nominee for attorney general to have a different point of view on this. \u00a0It was interesting that he raised immigration. \u00a0He used it as human trafficking. \u00a0That was kind of a smokescreen for a lot of these folks who wanted to protest the immigration.<\/p>\n

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KATHLEEN PARKER:<\/p>\n

Well, of course. \u00a0And the Republicans are feeling pressure not to get through this vote but to vote against Loretta Lynch, which is, I think, such a big mistake on so many different levels. \u00a0I mean, why would you oppose the President’s selection, which, he has the right to pick his own people. \u00a0And you know, if you’re trying to attract the African-American voter, you know, the female voter, I mean, pick a different battle–<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

She’s highly qualified. \u00a0So that was the other part is that nobody made a case against her on her own qualifications.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

No, no, not at all. \u00a0And at the end of the day, what seems so perverse when you’re looking at this from the outside is that these guys really hate Eric Holder.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Right. \u00a0That was the other part of it.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

The longer that this goes on, he longer he sticks around. \u00a0If you’re standing from the outside looking in, none of this makes any sense.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

This is probably something they and Holder agree on. \u00a0He would like to get out of there.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

There was an Alice<\/i> in Wonderland<\/i> quality to this.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

Politically, they should’ve called the vote 20 minutes after Rudy Giuliani endorsed her. \u00a0Because it was game, set, match.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Well, that’s right. \u00a0I mean, he came out and ended that. \u00a0All right, let’s lighten things up a little bit. \u00a0Hillary Clinton has taken a lot of abuse for her choice of a campaign logo this week. \u00a0Let me read you just a few of the campaign headlines from these past couple of weeks on logos in general, by the way.<\/p>\n

The U.S. map in Marco Rubio’s campaign logo doesn’t include Hawaii and Alaska. \u00a0Ted Cruz’s campaign logo is an upside down burning American flag, so said Gawker. \u00a0Why is this Hillary logo so terrible? \u00a0Well, it’s Hillary’s logo that has inspired Rick Wolff, he’s a freelancer designer, to create a new font that he’s calling Hillary Bold, that the internet has hashtagged Hillvetica.<\/p>\n

And we just wanted to see what our favorite quotes would look like in Hillvetica. \u00a0There’s, “You can’t handle the truth.” \u00a0There’s the, “I’ll have what she’s having.” \u00a0And of course, we just had to play with our own logo here. \u00a0We asked Mr. Wolff why he did it.<\/p>\n

And his answer was, “I like the idea of making people laugh through design. \u00a0And I like that no one knows whether I did it, because I support Mrs. Clinton, or I want to give ammunition to her detractors. \u00a0It does both, because that’s the great thing about language.” \u00a0Very quickly, David Axelrod, you’re a visual guy. \u00a0The logo, look, you certainly now recognize it. \u00a0I know some people like it, some people don’t.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

Yeah, but logos should have a message to them. \u00a0Our sunrise logo for Obama had a message to it. \u00a0I’m not sure what the message of that logo is.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

You’re not a big fan.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

Not terribly.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Steve Schmidt, you had to approve logos for McCain. \u00a0What would that have done? \u00a0Would you have said, “Send it back?”<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

I can’t believe there was a group of people who sat around in a room and said, “Yes, this looks great. \u00a0Let’s make this our logo.”<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Everybody knows it.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

But you know, as the youngest person on this panel, I just want to say–<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

What does that mean?<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

That my teenage neighbors, who are into logos and all of that, hate the Hillary logo. \u00a0And they went crazy over it. \u00a0And they’re all huge Hillary fans.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

DAVID AXELROD:<\/p>\n

That’s kind of a gratuitous ageist–<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

Yeah, that was.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

STEVE SCHMIDT:<\/p>\n

That has nothing to do with it.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n

Sorry.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n

All right. \u00a0Well, that’ll be on Quiz Up soon. \u00a0I promise. \u00a0All right, we\u2019re not doing that. \u00a0That’s all for today. \u00a0We’ll be back next week to discuss everybody’s age. \u00a0Because if it\u2019s Sunday. \u00a0It’s Meet the Press<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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