{"id":724,"date":"2015-03-22T12:50:55","date_gmt":"2015-03-22T16:50:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/press.nbcnews.com\/?p=724"},"modified":"2015-03-22T12:50:55","modified_gmt":"2015-03-22T16:50:55","slug":"meet-the-press-32215-israeli-amb-dermer-un-resolution-could-prevent-peace-for-decades-to-come-ca-gov-brown-cruz-unfit-to-run-for-office","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nbcuniversalnewsgroup.com\/nbcnews\/2015\/03\/22\/meet-the-press-32215-israeli-amb-dermer-un-resolution-could-prevent-peace-for-decades-to-come-ca-gov-brown-cruz-unfit-to-run-for-office\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cMEET THE PRESS\u201d 3\/22\/15: ISRAELI AMB. DERMER: UN RESOLUTION COULD PREVENT PEACE &#8216;FOR DECADES TO COME&#8217;; CA GOV. BROWN: CRUZ &#8216;UNFIT TO RUN&#8217; FOR OFFICE"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2><em><strong>Israeli Amb. Ron Dermer: Netanyahu \u201cdidn&#8217;t say what the president and others seem to suggest that he&#8217;s saying.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/h2>\n<h2><em><strong>Palestinian UN Observer Dr. Riyad Mansour: If we wait, \u201cthen there will never be a two-state solution.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/h2>\n<h2><em><strong>Gov. Jerry Brown: Sen. Ted Cruz \u201cabsolutely unfit to be running for office.\u201d<\/strong><\/em><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>MARCH 22, 2015 \u2013 This morning\u2019s \u201cMeet the Press with Chuck Todd\u201d featured interviews with <strong>Ron Dermer<\/strong>, Israeli Ambassador to the United States; <strong>Dr. Riyad Mansour<\/strong>, Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine to the United Nations; <strong>Gov. Jerry Brown<\/strong> (D-CA); NBC News\u2019 <strong>Andrea Mitchell<\/strong>; and a panel discussion with <strong>Helene Cooper, <\/strong>Pentagon correspondent for The New York Times; <strong>Jane Harman<\/strong>, president of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars; <strong>Rich Lowry, <\/strong>editor for The National Review and <strong>John Stanton, <\/strong>Washington bureau chief for Buzzfeed News.<\/p>\n<p>Below are highlights, video clips, and a rush transcript of today\u2019s program. Additional show video will be available online at<a href=\"http:\/\/www.meetthepressnbc.com\"> www.MeetThePressNBC.com<\/a>, and join the conversation online with hashtag #MTP.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Israeli Amb. Dermer: Prime Minister Netanyahu Didn\u2019t Change His Position<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So the president is wrong that he takes the prime minister at his word at what he said before the election?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>He didn&#8217;t say what the president and others seem to suggest that he&#8217;s saying. \u00a0And he was very clear about it in his interview with Andrea Mitchell. \u00a0He didn&#8217;t change his position. \u00a0He didn&#8217;t run around giving interviews saying he&#8217;s now against the Palestinian state.<\/p>\n<p>He said, &#8220;I&#8217;m the prime minister of Israel. \u00a0I&#8217;m responsible for the security of the country. \u00a0Right now, if we establish a Palestinian state on the West Bank on Judea-Samaria, we are going to see another armed terror base used to launch attacks against Israel.&#8221; \u00a0Remember, Israel left Lebanon in 2000. \u00a0We didn&#8217;t get peace, we got an Iranian terror base out on the northern border. \u00a0Israel left Gaza in 2005, we uprooted all the settlements there. \u00a0We didn&#8217;t get peace, we got an Iranian terror base on our southern base.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Israeli Amb. Dermer: UN Resolution \u201cCould Prevent Peace for Decades to Come\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>VIDEO: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1B2EbQl\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1B2EbQl<\/a><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you believe an imposed framework of a two-state solution is an anti-Israel resolution?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Well, obviously it depends what the resolution is. \u00a0But we&#8217;re against imposing any resolution through The United Nations. \u00a0Because the policy of the United States has been, for a very long time, that you need a negotiated settlement for this conflict. \u00a0The only way we&#8217;re going to reach peace, Chuck, is if we have the parties at the negotiating table.<\/p>\n<p>A United Nations resolution will do the exact opposite. \u00a0It will harden Palestinian positions. \u00a0And it will prevent us not only from having peace today, it could prevent peace for decades to come. \u00a0Because no Palestinian leader will move from those positions that are going to be put forward at the United Nations.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Palestinian UN Observer Mansour: Netanyahu Should Be In Favor of UN Resolution<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>VIDEO: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1GGKRHN\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1GGKRHN<\/a><\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>I think that we have a collective responsibility. \u00a0All of us in the international community, including The United States of America, is to legislate in the Security Council the parameters on the two-state solution, to defend that plan. \u00a0And if Prime Minister Netanyahu is genuinely committed and reversed his position again, to a two-state solution, then he should be in favor of this resolution adopted by the Security Council.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Gov. Brown: Ted Cruz \u201cUnfit to Be Running for Office&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>VIDEO: <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EGcqkd\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EGcqkd<\/a><\/p>\n<p>SEN. TED CRUZ (ON TAPE):<\/p>\n<p>I just came back from New Hampshire where there&#8217;s snow and ice everywhere. \u00a0And my view actually is simple. \u00a0Debates on this should follow science and should follow data. \u00a0And many of the alarmists on global warming, they&#8217;ve got a problem because the science doesn&#8217;t back them up.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>That was Republican Senator Ted Cruz, a likely presidential candidate saying what he said on climate change. \u00a0What do you say, because you&#8217;ve dealt with some Republican skeptics in California on this.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>I say what he said is absolutely false. \u00a0Over 90% of the scientists who deal with climate are absolutely convinced that the human activity, the industrial activity, the generation of CO2, methane, oxides and nitrogen and all the rest of those greenhouse gasses are building up in the atmosphere, they&#8217;re heat-trapping, and they&#8217;re causing not just warm drought in California, but severe storms and cold in the East Coast. So it&#8217;s climate disruption of many different kinds. \u00a0And that man betokens such a level of ignorance and a direct falsification of the existing scientific data. \u00a0It&#8217;s shocking and I think that man has rendered himself absolutely unfit to be running for office.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Additional clips from today\u2019s program and web-exclusive video:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Israeli Amb. Ron Dermer says all of the people of Israel know that \u201cwe have no better friend and ally than America.\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1Ifpnmh\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1Ifpnmh<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) admits if he were younger, he would jump into the presidential race. <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1CJACDp\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1CJACDp<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) calls Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell&#8217;s (R-KY) efforts to get governors to ignore EPA regulations &#8220;a disgrace.&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1BmYabP\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1BmYabP<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>NBC&#8217;s Harry Smith reports on one veteran&#8217;s experience in the battle of Iwo Jima 70 years ago. <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EAPLTV\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EAPLTV<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Rich Lowry discusses the president\u2019s contentious relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, saying that Obama \u201chates Netanyahu with a burning passion.\u201d <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FXwO2h\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1FXwO2h<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>#Nerdscreen: How a party&#8217;s base can pull a candidate away from the general electorate <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DKXofo\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1DKXofo<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce his presidential bid tomorrow. <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1N227Jo\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1N227Jo<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Chuck\u2019s Take: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu\u2019s election reversals complicate the White House\u2019s plans. <a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EG9Gn9\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1EG9Gn9<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>Below is a RUSH transcript of this morning\u2019s broadcast \u2014 mandatory attribution to NBC News\u2019 \u201cMeet the Press.\u201d A final transcript of the program will be available at<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/media.ne.cision.com\/l\/cklxgzoo\/www.meetthepressnbc.com\"><strong> MeetThePressNBC.com<\/strong><\/a><strong>. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MARCH 22, 2015<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This Sunday, a one time Middle East success story turns disastrous. \u00a0U.S. troops withdraw from Yemen as the country descends into all-out civil war. \u00a0And state of distrust.<\/p>\n<p>PRESIDENT OBAMA:<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve gotta evaluate what other options are available.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Benjamin Netanyahu pulls to the right to win the Israeli election. \u00a0But as he left the peace process in tatters and altered his country&#8217;s relationship with the U.S. permanently. \u00a0Plus, climate catastrophe. \u00a0Jerry Brown, the governor of drought-stricken California, and why there should no longer be a debate about climate.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>This has to be almost at the level of the Crusades.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Plus, find out which 2016 contender he thinks is unfit for office.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>That man has chosen such a level of ignorance.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And an endgame. \u00a0Is Illinois the most corrupt state in the country? \u00a0As Aaron Schock faces a federal investigation. \u00a0Why have so many politicians from that state ended up in jail? \u00a0I&#8217;m Chuck Todd, and joining me to provide insight and analysis this morning are John Stanton of <em>Buzz Feed News<\/em>, Helene Cooper of <em>The New York Times<\/em>, former Democratic Congresswoman and head of the Wilson Center, Jane Harman, and <em>National Review&#8217;s<\/em> Rick Lowry. \u00a0Welcome to Sunday, it&#8217;s <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>(INTRODUCTION OMITTED)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And good morning. \u00a0And we start with Yemen, a country that&#8217;s touted as a success in America&#8217;s counter-terror strategy by President Obama is now spinning out of control. \u00a0Yesterday, U.S. Special Forces were withdrawn as Iranian-backed Shia rebels pushed south today, seen in the country&#8217;s third biggest city, Taiz. \u00a0Yemen&#8217;s president, who has already been kicked out of the capital, holed up in the south after Shia Houthis seized the capital of Sanaa in January is now appealing for intervention from the United Nations. \u00a0And an emergency meeting of the Security Council will be held this afternoon. \u00a0Our chief foreign affairs correspondent, Andrea Mitchell&#8217;s, been tracking all of this. \u00a0Andrea, Yemen in chaos. \u00a0Is this now a failed state?<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not only a failed state, this is now a proxy war, it&#8217;s civil war, as a proxy war between Iran-backed Shiite rebels and the Saudis. \u00a0The Saudis on their border, worried about their oil fields. \u00a0They had no rebel insurgencies for years and years there. \u00a0But this is a serious threat to Saudi Arabia. \u00a0So we&#8217;ve got a Shiite-Sunni civil war going on with big players behind them.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, look, Yemen has been a hotbed. \u00a0Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, shorthand AQAP, this is essentially the failed state that we&#8217;ve seen. \u00a0The underwear bomber launched from a lot of terrorism preeminence trying to, you know, fight with ISIS over here. \u00a0Without a U.S. presence there, AQAP can only grow.<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>Indeed. \u00a0And in fact, we had the bombings in Sanaa, which were at least claimed by ISIS as their bombings against the&#8211; the horrific bombings, 130 or more dead in these mosques. \u00a0We can&#8217;t&#8211; the White House is not saying whether or not it is ISIS. \u00a0If that&#8217;s the case, then this is the first time we&#8217;ve seen ISIS there, it is a spreading of ISIS. \u00a0But also, with the Special Forces withdrawn, there&#8217;s no way that we can continue to fight against AQAP al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, because they are calling in the air strikes.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And very quickly, the Arab Spring, we had a terrible terrorist attack in Tunisia earlier this week. \u00a0Have what&#8217;s going on in Yemen, that was the only two semi-success stories of the Arab Spring with Tunisia and Yemen. \u00a0Arab Spring, no longer a success anywhere?<\/p>\n<p>ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n<p>No. \u00a0And in fact, these forces were trained, we believe, in Libya, which is the other failed state. \u00a0So you see the spread of failure. \u00a0And Islamic extremism beyond, if you can say, beyond al-Qaeda, in the Arabian Peninsula. \u00a0And this is an even worse development.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Libya, Syria, Yemen, three failed states. \u00a0Hopefully there are not more to come. \u00a0Andrea Mitchell, thanks for reporting on this. \u00a0And now to the U.S.-Israeli relationship. \u00a0We all know that, in a tough election, things get said in the heat of the moment. \u00a0And Benjamin Netanyahu&#8217;s warning, high turnout from Arab voters would benefit the left. \u00a0And his ruling out a Palestinian state probably helped him win another term in office. \u00a0But he may have incurred a heavy cost, provoking outrage from the Obama administration. \u00a0And though Prime Minister Netanyahu has attempted to walk back his comments, it seems the damage, at least with President Obama, has already been done.<\/p>\n<p>BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t want a one state solution. \u00a0I want a sustainable, peaceful, two-state solution. \u00a0But for that, circumstances have to change.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>That was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to NBC&#8217;s Andrea Mitchell, trying to temper an election, he promised that there would be no Palestinian state while he was prime minister.<\/p>\n<p>BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:<\/p>\n<p>I haven\u2019t changed my policy. \u00a0What has changed is the reality.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>The U.S. is not buying the walk back.<\/p>\n<p>PRESIDENT OBAMA:<\/p>\n<p>We can&#8217;t just, in perpetuity, maintain the status quo, expand settlements. \u00a0That&#8217;s not a recipe for stability in the region.<\/p>\n<p>SAM STEIN:<\/p>\n<p>Is there any reason at this point to believe that he&#8217;s serious about a Palestinian state?<\/p>\n<p>PRESIDENT OBAMA:<\/p>\n<p>We take him at his word when he said that it wouldn&#8217;t happen during his prime ministership. \u00a0And so that&#8217;s why we&#8217;d better evaluate what other options are available.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>The White House has hinted that the U.S. could stop protecting Israel at the United Nations, perhaps even drafting a new security council resolution outlining the framework for a Palestinian state. \u00a0The two-state solution has been the framework for U.S. policy for the last two decades, and even accepted five years ago by Netanyahu himself in a speech at Bar-Ilan University.<\/p>\n<p>TRANSLATOR FOR BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:<\/p>\n<p>My vision of peace in this small land of ours, two free peoples live side by side in amity and mutual respect. \u00a0Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, and its own government.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Now the White House warns that Netanyahu&#8217;s right turn, including his election day message to supporters that Israeli Arabs were coming out in droves, means that everything except U.S. security assistance to Israel is on the table. \u00a0An effort to apply leverage to a new Israeli government and a warning that the U.S. may no longer stand between Israel and the rest of the world at the United Nations.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m joined now exclusively by Israel&#8217;s ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer. \u00a0\u00a0Welcome back to <em>Meet the Press<\/em>, Mr. Ambassador.<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Good to be with you.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me start with asking a simple question. \u00a0What is the position in the Netanyahu government on the peace process and the two-state solution?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>The same as it was when Prime Minister Netanyahu gave his speech at Bar-Ilan University. \u00a0He is committed to a vision of peace of two states for two peoples, a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state of Israel. \u00a0What has changed is the circumstances over the last few years.<\/p>\n<p>You just talked about, with Andrea, what is happening in the region, and the collapse of all these states in the Middle East, in Libya, in Yemen, in Syria. \u00a0We have a collapse of a 100 year order in the Middle East. \u00a0And militant Islam is charging into the void. \u00a0That&#8217;s the first thing that changed.<\/p>\n<p>The second thing that changed, which very few people have talked about over the last couple days, is that, a year ago, ten months ago, the leader of the Palestinian Authority reached out to a terror organization and forced and alliance with Hamas. \u00a0Hamas is committed to Israel&#8217;s destruction. \u00a0Their charter calls for the murders of Jews worldwide. \u00a0They fire thousands of rockets at Israel. \u00a0And what Israel believes has to happen now is that President Abbas has to break his alliance with Hamas and return to peace negotiations with Israel. \u00a0If that happens and we can solve the problems of Israel&#8217;s legitimate security needs, then we can get back to the peace state.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So you\u2019ll deal with Abbas, the Netanyahu government will deal with Abbas, even if he&#8217;s not speaking for the entire Palestinian people. \u00a0Because that had been one of the critiques before that, while he only really runs the West Bank, Hamas runs Gaza, you can&#8217;t negotiate this just with one&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>That is not the prime minister&#8217;s critique. \u00a0The prime minister has been negotiating with President Abbas. \u00a0He was willing to do it until a year ago, when Abbas made this deal. \u00a0Why did the peace process collapse? \u00a0Because President Abbas joined up with Hamas. \u00a0You can&#8217;t join up with a terror organization.<\/p>\n<p>Our concern, Chuck, is that a Palestinian state today would be a Palestinian terror state. \u00a0So the prime minister is not against a demilitarized Palestinian state. \u00a0He&#8217;s not against, and he hasn&#8217;t retracted it any way, his vision that he laid out at Bar-Ilan University six years ago in 2009. \u00a0What he&#8217;s against is establishing a terror state on the West Bank, which would create not another Gaza, but 20 Gazas.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So the president is wrong that he takes the prime minister at his word at what he said before the election?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>He didn&#8217;t say what the president and others seem to suggest that he&#8217;s saying. \u00a0And he was very clear about it in his interview with Andrea Mitchell. \u00a0He didn&#8217;t change his position. \u00a0He didn&#8217;t run around giving interviews saying he&#8217;s now against the Palestinian state.<\/p>\n<p>He said, &#8220;I&#8217;m the prime minister of Israel. \u00a0I&#8217;m responsible for the security of the country. \u00a0Right now, if we establish a Palestinian state on the West Bank on Judea-Samaria, we are going to see another armed terror base used to launch attacks against Israel.&#8221; \u00a0Remember, Israel left Lebanon in 2000. \u00a0We didn&#8217;t get peace, we got an Iranian terror base out on the northern border. \u00a0Israel left Gaza in 2005, we uprooted all the settlements there. \u00a0We didn&#8217;t get peace, we got an Iranian terror base on our southern base.<\/p>\n<p>Now Iran&#8217;s leaders are saying in the last few weeks that they are going to arm Palestinians in the West Bank to launch their attacks against Israel. \u00a0That the prime minister is not willing to agree to.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>If the United States doesn&#8217;t stand in the way of the United Nations imposing a framework of what a two-state solution would look like, what does that do to the relationship between United States and Israel?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we hope that won&#8217;t happen. \u00a0We know that the United States has stood for decades against all these anti-Israel resolutions at The United Nations. \u00a0And we hope that policy continues. \u00a0And&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you believe an imposed framework of a two-state solution is an anti-Israel resolution?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Well, obviously it depends what the resolution is. \u00a0But we&#8217;re against imposing any resolution through The United Nations. \u00a0Because the policy of the United States has been, for a very long time, that you need a negotiated settlement for this conflict. \u00a0The only way we&#8217;re going to reach peace, Chuck, is if we have the parties at the negotiating table.<\/p>\n<p>A United Nations resolution will do the exact opposite. \u00a0It will harden Palestinian positions. \u00a0And it will prevent us not only from having peace today, it could prevent peace for decades to come. \u00a0Because no Palestinian leader will move from those positions that are going to be put forward at the United Nations.<\/p>\n<p>And here&#8217;s the problem. \u00a0A major problem. \u00a0What the Palestinians want is they want a state, but they don&#8217;t want to give Israel peace in return. \u00a0Israel is in favor of a Palestinian state that would end the conflict of Israel. \u00a0We are not in favor of a Palestinian state that will continue to wage war against Israel.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let me ask you something about settlements. \u00a0During the campaign, and I&#8217;m going to put up this from <em>The Washington Post<\/em>. \u00a0Reports where Netanyahu said, &#8220;Settlement construction at Har Homa \u00a0was not only to provide housing for residents, but also to deny Palestinians territorya nd contiguity. \u00a0It&#8217;s a neighborhood that I initiated in 1997 in my first stint as prime minister,&#8221; Netanyahu said.<\/p>\n<p>He said, &#8220;Its value was that it stops to continued advancement of the Palestinians.&#8221; \u00a0This goes to the critique of the settlement construction. \u00a0That settlement construction is all about preventing the Palestinian state, what do you say to that critique?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>No, that&#8217;s not true. \u00a0Look, first of all, the Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem are going to be part of any future peace deal. \u00a0The major settlement blocks are going to be part of any peace deal. \u00a0And the settlement construction that goes on, about 90% of it is in those areas. \u00a0And it&#8217;s within the consensus, not only inside of Israel, but&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You deny that settlement construction is about a strategic&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s not the obstacles of peace, Chuck. \u00a0This conflict has been going on for 50 years. \u00a050 years before there was a single settlement on the West Bank. \u00a0The reason why we have not resolved our conflict with the Palestinians is they refuse to recognize the right of a Jewish state to exist, period. \u00a0And they don&#8217;t take Israel&#8217;s security concerns seriously. \u00a0And in a region where states are collapsing, where you have ISIS and Iran-backed militant Islamists all over the region, ISIS is not thousands of miles away from Israeli.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s 18 miles away from Israel&#8217;s northern border. \u00a0Israel&#8217;s security concerns have to be addressed seriously. \u00a0And the only place that that&#8217;s going the be addressed is not in The United Nations, it&#8217;s in negotiations with Israel.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Two final questions. \u00a0One, what is a bad deal with Iran? \u00a0I mean we know you&#8217;re not going to get what you truly want, zero centrifuges, what is a bad deal?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>A bad deal has a short breakout time. \u00a0Right now they&#8217;re talking about a year breakout time. \u00a0That leaves Iran with a vast nuclear infrastructure in place. \u00a0That breakout time has to be much longer.<\/p>\n<p>And a very bad deal is a deal that would automatically remove restrictions on Iran&#8217;s nuclear program after only about a decade. \u00a0That would be a terrible deal, because it would create a situation where you&#8217;d have a deal that wouldn&#8217;t block Iran&#8217;s path to the bomb, it would pave it. \u00a0They won&#8217;t have to sneak into the nuclear club. \u00a0They wouldn&#8217;t need to break into nuclear club. \u00a0They could just walk into the nuclear club, become a nuclear weapons state. \u00a0It would lead to mass nuclear proliferation in the region and would be very dangerous for the Middle East and the world.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>How do you restore trust as an ambassador here in United States? \u00a0Some in the Obama administration quietly seem to hint that relations could improve with the prime minister if you weren&#8217;t in your position.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What do you say to that criticism?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>I serve at the pleasure of the Israeli government and the Israeli prime minister. \u00a0And as long as they have confidence in me, I will continue to do everything I can to not only advance my country&#8217;s interests, but to work to strengthen the relationship between the United States and Israel.<\/p>\n<p>We have no better friend and ally than America. \u00a0All the people of Israel know that. \u00a0And we hope that the American people know, as well, that they have no better friend and ally in the Middle East, the one solid, reliable, democratic ally, than the state of Israel. \u00a0And we think&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you believe the Obama administration can trust you?<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Yes.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Ambassador Dermer, thanks for coming on <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>AMB. RON DERMER:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m joined now by the permanent observer of Palestinian to The United Nations, Riyad Mansour. \u00a0Welcome back to <em>Meet the Press<\/em>. \u00a0And Mr. Mansour, let me ask something just right off the bat about recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. \u00a0Will the Palestinian&#8211; will you be able to say that the Palestinian people, and can you say this on your behalf, that you recognize Israel as a Jewish state?<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Well, we were asked to recognize the state of Israel, and we have done that.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Not as a Jewish state.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Well, this is a new condition that Israel added. \u00a0Israel can characterize itself as they wish. \u00a0But they cannot demand from us things and impose conditions on us. \u00a0We belong to this land. \u00a0We have a long history in that land. \u00a0But yet, in the same time, we accepted to have two states on that land. \u00a0One exists, the other one is struggling for its independence so that we can actualize the objectives of a two-state solution.<\/p>\n<p>Now the Israeli election and the statements of Prime Minister Netanyahu are putting obstacles in the process of doing so. \u00a0And if we do not move seriously in the direction of a two-state solution now, and as he suggests, to wait, then there will never be a two-state solution, there will be a one-state solution.<\/p>\n<p>And if we have a one-state solution, the majority will be Palestinian Arabs, the minority will be Jewish. \u00a0And it will not be democratic if they want to impose on us an apartheid system. \u00a0It did not work in South Africa. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think it will be working in our region.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you really&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, I think that we have a collective responsibility. \u00a0All of us in the international community, including The United States of America, is to legislate in the Security Council the parameters on the two-state solution, to defend that plan. \u00a0And if Prime Minister Netanyahu is genuinely committed and reversed his position again, to a two-state solution, then he should be in favor of this resolution adopted by the Security Council.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>And not only that it will set the basis for the two-state solution&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;but also, it would say that it should happen in a short period of time.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>And we should have a mechanism, collective mechanism, to accomplish that objective.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, as a show of good faith, would you back off on your insistence of becoming a member of the International Criminal Court and trying to use that as a way to go after Israel?<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Why should we back? \u00a0What we are doing is legal, is peaceful. \u00a0Seeking, you know, accountable through&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But you don&#8217;t&#8211; the Israelis are investigating some of the bombings that took place in Gaza themselves. \u00a0Do you not trust the Israelis to do that investigation?<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Well, this is a judgment for the International Criminal Court to decide upon. \u00a0But the settlement, for example, is a continuing war crime. \u00a0And, you know, they are continuing with the settlements. \u00a0They are continuing with an illegal policy. \u00a0We are seeking a peaceful legal option.<\/p>\n<p>So we are doing something that legitimate, they are doing something that is illegal. \u00a0And by the way, with regards to the Security Council, the first step should be to adopt a resolution on the parameter that would defend the two-state solution, and then after that, we should have another resolution demanding from Israel to stop this illegal activity of settlement activities, because we cannot have two-state solution when we have now 600,000 settlers not only in the blocs, but also in other parts of the occupied territory. \u00a0And there is global consensus on characterizing the settlement as an illegal thing. \u00a0So if they want to have serious negotiation with us to have two-state solution, they have to negotiate with us the end of occupation.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Alright, so let me&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>But we cannot meet&#8211; go ahead.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0But I want to go back to the International Criminal Court. \u00a0Because if you go ahead with this on April 1, you already have Israel withholding tax revenue to the Palestinian Authority.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>And that is also an illegal thing to do.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But the United States, it is the United States, law, it was passed in a congressional resolution, that if you do this, the U.S. with withhold its funds. \u00a0Are you willing to risk the financial stability of the Palestinian Authority by going this route? \u00a0Which, by the way, the International Criminal Court has been unsuccessful at going after people who have truly committed horrid crimes. \u00a0This is not a reliable place to go.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Listen, you know, what people should appreciate what we were doing, we are refusing to seek violent ways to try to resolve this conflict. \u00a0We are seeking peaceful ways, whether through the security council, which we have been blocked often, or through a legitimate international criminal court or the International Court of Justice.<\/p>\n<p>We are seeking peaceful, legal methods to seek accountability, to address these issues, and to fight for the rights for the causes of the Palestinian people. \u00a0So those who are punishing us for doing so, what message are they giving us?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Their message that they&#8217;re giving us, &#8220;Go and fight,&#8221; and we don&#8217;t want to fight.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>We don&#8217;t want to be like other states&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;don&#8217;t want to do that, then are you going to renounce your partnership with Hamas?<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Well, this is another issue. \u00a0And I am glad that you posed the question. \u00a0When we were divided, it was not true that it was not the policy of the Prime Minister Netanyahu. \u00a0I heard with my own ears the ambassador of Israel in the United Nations, who was speaking on behalf of Prime Minister Netanyahu, saying in the Security Council&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;debates, &#8220;How can we negotiate with Mahmoud Abbas when he doesn&#8217;t represent all the Palestinians?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>But will you renounce&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>So when we were divided, they did not want to negotiate with us. \u00a0When we are united, they don&#8217;t want to negotiate with us. \u00a0And by the way, it was Prime Minister Netanyahu who negotiated with Hamas a ceasefire during the second war with Gaza. \u00a0And it was him who negotiated&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;with Hamas the release of prisoners.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Why is it legitimate for him to negotiate with Hamas and it is not legitimate for us to put our house in order?<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right. \u00a0I will leave it there. \u00a0You have answered my question then on Hamas. \u00a0Riyad Mansour, I appreciate you coming on <em>Meet the Press<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>RIYAD MANSOUR:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s bring in the panel, John Stanton, Helene Cooper, Jane Harman, Rich Lowry. \u00a0Helene, where do things stand right now? \u00a0I mean it is shockingly intractable. \u00a0Okay, we know that. \u00a0But what does it mean for U.S. and Israel?<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>I think, at the end of the day, look, at the end of the day, the underlying relationship is always going to be there. \u00a0And this is, you know, the United States is Israel&#8217;s biggest and most important ally. \u00a0And, you know, Israel is a big and important ally for the United States.<\/p>\n<p>So all of the security guarantees that the United States has given Israel for years, all of the military aid, all the protection, that&#8217;s going to&#8211; the security protection, that&#8217;s untouchable. \u00a0And it&#8217;s there to stay. \u00a0What&#8217;s different now, and this has been&#8211; I&#8217;ve covered this issue for years.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>And as a reporter, you call the White House, you call the State Department, you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Oh, I bet you guys are really pissed off about Bibi, about this and that.&#8221; \u00a0And for years, I would hear, &#8220;Oh, you reporters, you&#8217;re just&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Over-reading.<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;you&#8217;re over-reading, there you go again, making mischief.&#8221; \u00a0Gone.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>This time, this week, and I started making calls, and I was shocked at the level of anger. \u00a0And they were proposing&#8211; they were bringing, they&#8217;re the ones who brought up the U.N., the idea that they may not protect Israel in the U.N. Security Council, that it&#8217;s&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I wanted to jump off there on the U.N. thing. \u00a0Jane Harman, I heard almost a resignation in the ambassador&#8217;s voice, Ambassador Dermer&#8217;s voice, that this U.N. resolution&#8217;s coming. \u00a0It&#8217;s almost as if they&#8217;re more concerned about how it&#8217;s going to be worded. \u00a0He started talking about&#8211; and so it&#8217;s a fait accompli. \u00a0Do you buy that?<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>Not yet. \u00a0But certainly the momentum has shifted. \u00a0Helene is right. \u00a0And by the way, she was an exceptional scholar at The Wilson Center. \u00a0And kudos to you and to Andrea Mitchell for the superb first interview with Bibi. \u00a0Got to get out my&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>There you go.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;shout outs.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ll get your turn Rich. \u00a0I think that there&#8217;s a lot that has to happen before the U.N. vote. \u00a0And that includes some moves by Congress.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>I heard Lindsey Graham\u2019s threat yesterday that he wants Congress to withhold U.S. funding to the U.N.. \u00a0So I think there are a lot of moving parts. \u00a0But I&#8217;m from California. \u00a0This is an earthquake.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>And the perceptions have shifted. \u00a0Regardless of what Bibi said before&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;or said during the campaign. \u00a0And Helene is right, that at least in the U.S., and I would guess, in many parts of the world, people are viewing this differently. \u00a0And it matters what Bibi&#8217;s next moves are.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s the problem for Netanyahu, isn&#8217;t it, Rich, is that if U.S. has been sort of standing in the way of even Western Europe from doing boycotts and all of these things. \u00a0How does he get out of&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Well, let&#8217;s be honest about what&#8217;s going on here. \u00a0Bibi won an election when everyone on the left and the White House, around the world, thought he was going to lose, and was ready to dance a happy jig on his political grave. \u00a0And it didn&#8217;t happen. \u00a0And we&#8217;ve had this temper tantrum ever since. \u00a0On top of this, President Obama hates him with a burning passion. \u00a0It&#8217;s as if Ted Cruz was the leader of a major ally&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Think about this, Chuck. \u00a0We&#8217;re on the verge of a major diplomatic revolution, where we&#8217;re going to forge an opening with Iran, and relieve Iran of its U.N. obligations to end its nuclear program. \u00a0At the same time, we&#8217;re going to start isolating Israel at the U.N.. \u00a0This is completely perverse and makes no strategic sense.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And John Stanton, the last person that needs this is Hillary Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>She does not want a rift with Israel by Obama, does she?<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>No, she doesn&#8217;t. \u00a0But I think also, in a sense, it could help her, in a way. \u00a0Because it could provide her the opportunity to make a very stark statement of, &#8220;I would not do this.&#8221; \u00a0It helps separate her from Obama, which is something that she&#8217;s going to need a little bit in the election.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Because I&#8217;ll be curious if the left wants to hear that. \u00a0So I don&#8217;t know. \u00a0But we&#8217;re going to talk a lot more about 2016. \u00a0So let me pause it there. \u00a0Coming up, California&#8217;s Jerry Brown on fighting climate change. \u00a0And wait until you hear how he says he may have considered a 2016 presidential run. \u00a0You&#8217;re not going to want to miss what he has to say.<\/p>\n<p>***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, if you&#8217;re only tuning in on Sundays, you may already be behind on the conversation. \u00a0From analysis of the Israeli elections results, to how 2016 and the candidates are already past their honeymoon phase, despite the fact that almost no one has actually declared. \u00a0Our NBC Politics team has been delivering this and more to your inbox every morning. \u00a0Those are just the headlines last week.<\/p>\n<p>So go to FirstRead.NBCNews.com to sign up for our daily political newsletter <em>First Read<\/em> so you can get that wisdom before it becomes conventional. \u00a0When we come back, the California governor sounds off about climate change, Ted Cruz, and his own 2016 plans.<\/p>\n<p>***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And welcome back. \u00a0This week, there was more evidence that climate change is indeed having a big impact with the news that the level of sea ice in the Arctic has now fallen to a record low. \u00a0And while the issue is still polarizing there in Washington, President Obama has tried to make fighting climate change a priority in his second term. \u00a0On Thursday, he signed an executive order that directs the federal government to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 40% from 2008 levels and to make that cut over the next decade.<\/p>\n<p>And California&#8217;s Governor, Jerry Brown is now proposing $1.1 billion emergency funding package to deal with that state&#8217;s severe drought. \u00a0And it has blighted that state for four years. \u00a0On Friday, I was joined by Governor Brown. \u00a0And I started by asking him if drought conditions in California are now the new normal.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s turning out that way. \u00a0What we&#8217;re really doing here is accelerating funding that I asked for in January. \u00a0We&#8217;re moving it faster, adding some new programs, trying to push the envelope, as it were, because any kind of building or technology, whether it be for efficiency or storage, it does take time. \u00a0And we are running out of time because it is not raining.<\/p>\n<p>California has to take decisive action, and it has. \u00a0We have the first water action plan in the state&#8217;s history, we have a $7 billion water bond that we&#8217;re drawing funds from, and very importantly, for the first time, the state of California has the authority to start regulating the water that&#8217;s under the ground, on private property. \u00a0Very far-reaching and the implementation of that will go a long way to helping us.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Do you think that before you leave as governor, you&#8217;re going to end up having to ration water?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t want to speculate on that, because first of all, mandatory rationing is a word that you have to apply to 14 million homes and hundreds of water districts. \u00a0This thing has to be developed very carefully. \u00a0We&#8217;re watching it on a weekly, even a daily basis. \u00a0There are many parts of California, many people, many businesses, many farmers, many homes.<\/p>\n<p>And some people are already in rationing in the town of St. Helena. \u00a0Others think they have a lot of water. \u00a0Well, we&#8217;re a big state, very diverse, and we&#8217;re managing it, I think, in an intelligent way. \u00a0And increasingly, we&#8217;re taking more mandatory measures.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Is there any particular industry, part of the state, that isn&#8217;t taking this as seriously as you&#8217;d like them to take it?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I think those that have good water storage and have been more prudent, are not as anxious as they should. \u00a0I think the whole spectre of some of these golf courses where the temperatures are 85\u00b0 out, they&#8217;re going to have to find a way to absolutely recycle 100% and introduce these restrictions.<\/p>\n<p>But we&#8217;ll know more, the rainy season is over in three weeks. \u00a0So we&#8217;ll know even more then. \u00a0But have no doubt, our best water experts and scientists, regulators, are looking at this as we speak. \u00a0And we&#8217;re getting ready to respond as mother nature tells us what&#8217;s up ahead.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, speaking of mother nature, this drought issue, directly attributable to climate change in your opinion?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Look, they say the scientists know more about it. \u00a0I will tell you this, our research results that now say there&#8217;s a connection to the current drought and extreme weather in the East, other parts of the world, the UN has already said there&#8217;s going to be 40% of the world will suffer from water shortage.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I want to go back there. \u00a0Are your scientists not yet saying this drought is connected to climate change? \u00a0Is that why you were hesitant?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>No, what I meant is to particularize a particular storm or absence of rain and a given week, you can&#8217;t tie that into the build up, unprecedented of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gasses. \u00a0We know there is some connection and we know that this drought is just the kind of things that are absolutely inevitable in the coming years and decades.<\/p>\n<p>And it builds up slowly. \u00a0That&#8217;s the challenge. \u00a0And it becomes irreversible. \u00a0So you can&#8217;t just sit around and engage in rhetoric because some of your donors and your constituents say, &#8220;Well, we want to make profit.&#8221; \u00a0The coal companies are not as important as the people of America and the people of the world. \u00a0And I think this has to be almost at the level of a crusade to wake people up and take the steps intelligently, carefully, but nevertheless, forcefully, from this point going forward.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>As you know, the issue of climate change is polarizing. \u00a0I&#8217;m going to play for you a clip this week from one of the Republican presidential candidates on the issue of climate change. \u00a0Here it is.<\/p>\n<p>SETH MEYERS (ON TAPE):<\/p>\n<p>Because I think the world&#8217;s on fire, literally. \u00a0Hottest year on record \u2014 but you&#8217;re not there, right?<\/p>\n<p>SEN. TED CRUZ (ON TAPE):<\/p>\n<p>I just came back from New Hampshire where there&#8217;s snow and ice everywhere. \u00a0And my view actually is simple. \u00a0Debates on this should follow science and should follow data. \u00a0And many of the alarmists on global warming, they&#8217;ve got a problem because the science doesn&#8217;t back them up.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>That was Republican Senator Ted Cruz, a likely presidential candidate saying what he said on climate change. \u00a0What do you say, because you&#8217;ve dealt with some Republican skeptics in California on this.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>I say what he said is absolutely false. \u00a0Over 90% of the scientists who deal with climate are absolutely convinced that the human activity, the industrial activity, the generation of CO2, methane, oxides and nitrogen and all the rest of those greenhouse gasses are building up in the atmosphere, they&#8217;re heat-trapping, and they&#8217;re causing not just warm drought in California, but severe storms and cold in the East Coast.<\/p>\n<p>So it&#8217;s climate disruption of many different kinds. \u00a0And that man betokens such a level of ignorance and a direct falsification of the existing scientific data. \u00a0It&#8217;s shocking and I think that man has rendered himself absolutely unfit to be running for office.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Well, speaking climate change, some environmentalists are not happy with you because of fracking, that you&#8217;ve allowed fracking to go on in California. I know you have a study coming out later in the summer where you may make a final decision on that. \u00a0But considering how much water, by the way, is used for fracking, isn&#8217;t that alone, your water crisis in California, isn&#8217;t that alone enough reason to prohibit fracking or temporarily stop it?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>No, not at all. \u00a0First of all, fracking in California has been going on for more than 50 years. \u00a0It uses a fraction of the water of fracking on the East Coast for gas, particularly. \u00a0This is vertical fracking for the most part. \u00a0It is different. \u00a0California imports 70% of our petroleum products.<\/p>\n<p>Our cars drive over 330 billion miles, mostly on petroleum. \u00a0If we reduce our oil drilling in California by a few percent, which a ban on fracking would do, and we import more oil by train or by boat, that doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense. \u00a0What we need to do is to move to electric cars, more efficient buildings, and more renewable energy. \u00a0And in that respect, California is leading the country and some would say even the world, and we&#8217;re going to continue moving down that path.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I know what you&#8217;ve said about a presidential race for yourself. \u00a0But let me ask the 2016 question this way. \u00a0What are the three issues these presidential candidates should be talking about and probably will be dealing with in their first year in office in 2017?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I think you&#8217;ve got to get a budget that lives within its means. \u00a0And you can&#8217;t spend 21% or 22% of the gross domestic product and only collect 18%. \u00a0So you have to find some ways of getting some revenue, particularly on our roads and highways and transportation and trains and bridges.<\/p>\n<p>Pretty fundamental. \u00a0Secondly, I think climate change is very important. \u00a0And thirdly, we have to invest in science, in technology, in our universities, and that&#8217;s building for the future and not stealing from it. \u00a0So I&#8217;d like to see a positive agenda and not the mythology that somehow the government can retract to what it was in 1929 under Calvin Coolidge, carried forth under Hoover.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>If you were ten years younger, would you be running this year?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Yes, I would.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You would be running for president?<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, I can&#8217;t say, I&#8217;ve ran three times, so if I could go back in a time machine and be 66, I might jump in. \u00a0But that&#8217;s a counterfactual, so we don&#8217;t need to speculate on that.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Governor Jerry Brown, the both oldest and youngest governors of California. \u00a0Thanks for coming on <em>Meet the Press<\/em>, sir.<\/p>\n<p>GOV. JERRY BROWN:<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>All right, let&#8217;s get some quick reaction from the panel. \u00a0Jane Harman, he&#8217;s your governor. \u00a0You&#8217;re in California.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>Oh, is he ever.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>How &#8217;bout the odyssey?<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>Go Jerry.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely, yes.<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>I loved it. \u00a0And&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Should he run anyway?<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s his call. \u00a0(CHUCKLE) You know, hey, what&#8217;s old isn&#8217;t old to me anymore. \u00a0(LAUGHTER) But I don&#8217;t remember him as a young governor, too. \u00a0He&#8217;s better now. \u00a0This is Jerry Brown reaching the gold standard.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Look, speaking of democrats and presidential politics, John Stanton, today&#8217;s <em>Boston Globe<\/em>, let me put it up. \u00a0They basically have an entire special section devoted to trying to convince Elizabeth Warren to run for president. \u00a0I know <em>The Boston Globe<\/em> is used to somebody from Massachusetts always running for president. \u00a0So maybe they realize their expense accounts are going to get smaller if they don&#8217;t have a presidential candidate at <em>The Globe<\/em>. \u00a0But it is the editorial calls on her to run. \u00a0Three supporting articles from op-ed writers saying why she should do this. \u00a0Do you think these draft things can work?<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>With Warren, no. \u00a0I don&#8217;t. \u00a0I think she&#8217;s not going to run. \u00a0I think she probably really enjoys this. \u00a0And I think that, for her, and for people that are smart about what they&#8217;re doing with these drafted movements, they&#8217;re going to try to bring her big issues to the table. \u00a0And they&#8217;re going to try to make her a very loud voice in the Democrat Party during the election to try to keep her really to the left as far as they can.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I think the day she got in is the day she loses that influence of pulling Hillary to the left. \u00a0Rich Lowry, tomorrow NBC News can confirm the first official candidate for president, a major candidate for president, Ted Cruz, freshman Senator from Texas, still technically a freshman Senator. \u00a0What&#8217;s interesting, he&#8217;s doing it at Liberty University, founded, a university founded by the Reverend Jerry Falwell, the late Reverend Jerry Falwell. \u00a0What does that tell you? \u00a0This is not about Virginia and a swing state.<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What does that tell you?<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Well first of all, I think it&#8217;s shrewd for him to go first. \u00a0Because in a month, we&#8217;re going to be so sick of these presidential announcements. \u00a0They&#8217;re going to be so&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;unique one to be first.<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. \u00a0The location goes to the fact that his path to nomination requires united the populist right. \u00a0And it means the likes of Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee have to fizzle on the launching pad. \u00a0It means Scott Walker needs to lose some altitude. \u00a0And all that&#8217;s possible. \u00a0But this is an inherently crowded running lane that he&#8217;s in<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right. \u00a0Well, especially social conservatives. \u00a0And you look at it and you see, Helene, Mike Huckabee, you know, does he not be able to raise the money? \u00a0Scott Walker wants a piece of this. \u00a0I think Cruz thinks he could win Iowa. \u00a0Huckabee&#8217;s proven it. \u00a0If he&#8217;s the candidate of evangelicals, he can win Iowa.<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>I think absolutely. \u00a0It feels right now like we&#8217;re in a <em>Game of Thrones<\/em> sort of&#8211; l (LAUGHTER)<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>It really does, though.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>But this&#8211; I know this feels very shrewd on the part of Cruz. \u00a0I think&#8211; I think Rich is right. \u00a0I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m saying this, but I actually think Rich is right.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not going to say it again.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This candidate&#8211; Jerry Brown just handed him his first fundraising material, right to the right, anyway.<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>The email&#8217;s already in our inbox.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve got a little more presidential politics coming up. \u00a0In fact, it will be Nerd Screen time next. \u00a0I&#8217;m going to take a look at just how different the primary electorates are between the Republicans and the Democrats and who shows up to these primaries for 2016. \u00a0We&#8217;ll be right back.<\/p>\n<p>***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Nerd Screen time. \u00a0While we wait to see which candidates decide to run, might have one tomorrow, this Sunday we wanted to take a look at the Democratic and Republican presidential primary electorates, the voters who will decide who gets their party&#8217;s nomination in 2016. \u00a0We wanted to show you just how different these two groups of voters are.<\/p>\n<p>We got all of this from our most recent NBC\/<em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> poll, asking people which primary do they plan on voting in. \u00a0So here&#8217;s what we found out. \u00a0Let&#8217;s start with the Republicans. \u00a0Over half of the Republican primary electorate is over the age of 50, male, and almost completely white. \u00a095% of the Republican primary electorate is white.<\/p>\n<p>Now take a look at the Democrats. \u00a0More than half of their electorate is under the age of 50, female, and less than two thirds are white. \u00a0So just look at the white vote percentages among primary voters. \u00a0Here&#8217;s what could spell trouble for the Republicans in the general election. \u00a0And here&#8217;s why.<\/p>\n<p>Over the last six presidential elections, as the country&#8217;s become more racially diverse, the percentage of white voters in the general election has been steadily dropping. \u00a0In 1992, look at that, it was 87%. \u00a0In 2012, it&#8217;s gone all the way down to 72%. \u00a0Democratic primary electorate is 62% white, more closely reflecting this overall trend than the Republican primary electorate, sitting at 95% white. \u00a0And in 2016, the expectation is it&#8217;s probably going to be just 70% white, 30% non-white.<\/p>\n<p>So Democrats have an inherent advantage here. \u00a0Demographics are a problem for Republicans, because older, white, Republican voters tend to be more conservative. \u00a0The candidates will have to go farther to the right to win the nomination. \u00a0And remember, they make up 95% of the primary electorate. \u00a0And then they have to swing back to the center in the general election to appeal to a more diverse group of voters. They\u2019re not appealing to a diverse group of voters in their primary. \u00a0Romney failed to do that in 2012. \u00a0For more on this and the ideological split between the two primary voters, head to our website. \u00a0We&#8217;ve got a lot more on that.<\/p>\n<p>***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And we are back. \u00a0Before we end the show, with the panel in our endgame segment, this week marks the 70th anniversary of the culmination of one of the bloodiest and most iconic episodes of the Second World War, the Battle for Iwo Jima off the coast of Japan. \u00a0This weekend, some of the few surviving Japanese and American veterans have gathered on the island. \u00a0And one veteran has been reflecting on all of this with our own Harry Smith.<\/p>\n<p>(BEGIN TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>HARRY SMITH:<\/p>\n<p>Lawrence Snowden was a 22-year-old rifle company commander when he first laid eyes on Iwo Jima. \u00a0Seven years later, the memories are not so far away.<\/p>\n<p>LAWRENCE SNOWDEN:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve carried 231 Marines to shore. \u00a036 days later, we walked off, only 99 of us.<\/p>\n<p>HARRY SMITH:<\/p>\n<p>Iwo Jima, where more than 20,000 U.S. Marines were either killed or wounded. \u00a0The sands are sacred, consecrated by sacrifice.<\/p>\n<p>LAWRENCE SNOWDEN:<\/p>\n<p>When we first landed, and within the first hour, it wasn&#8217;t too bad. \u00a0And then the bottom fell out, and it got worse. \u00a0Then, you know, we lost 2,000 men the first day.<\/p>\n<p>HARRY SMITH:<\/p>\n<p>Those who survived saw their comrades fall in a rain of enemy fire. \u00a0The man who would become Lieutenant General Snowden held a Marine he knew was dying.<\/p>\n<p>LAWRENCE SNOWDEN:<\/p>\n<p>I got kind of emotional about that as I held this young man. \u00a0And my prayer then was to God and says, &#8220;Take this man home. \u00a0Stop all the suffering. \u00a0Take him away now.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>HARRY SMITH:<\/p>\n<p>After five days of fighting, Joe Rosenthal took The Picture, Marines planting the American flag on Japanese soil atop Mount Suribachi. \u00a0Victory here, though, would not be achieved for more than a month. \u00a0This tiny spit of sulfurous rock hid 11 miles of tunnels. The Japanese were dug in and vowed to fight until their death.<\/p>\n<p>LAWRENCE SNOWDEN:<\/p>\n<p>There was no battle in which the Marine rush didn\u2019t bear the brunt of the battle. \u00a0And no other battle that I know of was the individual performance of the Marines were swapping for victory.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>A 70th anniversary reunion of honor was held Saturday on Iwo Jima. Once-bitter enemies gathered in peace to recall the sacrifices made here. \u00a0And the old general has but one wish.<\/p>\n<p>LAWRENCE SNOWDEN:<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s my hope, that eventually the young people get the message that somebody has to pay for freedom. \u00a0And while their forebears did it, now it may turn out to be your turn.<\/p>\n<p>(END TAPE)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>That, of course, was my colleague, Harry Smith, with retired Lieutenant General Lawrence Snowden, on the 70th anniversary of Iwo Jima, a battle whose monument strikes a chord with almost every American. \u00a0So we thought we should tell you the story behind the picture. \u00a0Don&#8217;t go anywhere. \u00a0The panel will be back for our endgame in less than a minute.<\/p>\n<p>***Commercial Break***<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Back now with the panel, End Game time. \u00a0Loretta Lynch, she&#8217;s still not confirmed. \u00a0She was nominated before Ash Carter was nominated to be Defense Secretary. \u00a0Ash Carter&#8217;s been confirmed, she has not. \u00a0Listen to what President Obama had to say to <em>Huffington Post<\/em> on Friday about Loretta Lynch.<\/p>\n<p>PRESIDENT OBAMA (ON TAPE):<\/p>\n<p>The irony is, of course, that the Republicans would dislike Mr. Holder. \u00a0If they really want to get rid of him, the best way to do it is to go ahead and get Loretta Lynch confirmed.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Rich Lowry, you wrote this week that she should not be confirmed. \u00a0And here&#8217;s what you wrote, &#8220;Whether she thinks the executive branch can, in effect, write laws on its own is a threshold question.&#8221; \u00a0You&#8217;re referring to the immigration&#8211; executive order of the president. \u00a0&#8220;Her answer in the affirmative should be disqualifying, no matter how impressive her career has otherwise been, or how historic her confirmation would be.&#8221; This is the stance John McCain is using ,the same reasoning on this. \u00a0Don&#8217;t you expect President Obama, if she goes down, to either keep Eric Holder, who also agrees?<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s the end game here? To borrow a phrase<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>The Holder thing is unavoidable. \u00a0The endgame is to maintain the principle that I think is in accord with the Senate&#8217;s institutional self respect and constitutional faithfulness that the Senate will not put its imprimatur on an attorney general that has the view the president can write the laws on its own. \u00a0It just won&#8217;t. And if that means no one else is confirmed and Eric Holder&#8217;s there another two years, so be it. \u00a0It&#8217;s nothing against her personally. \u00a0I don&#8217;t care if she&#8217;s Elliot Ness. \u00a0The Senate can&#8217;t do this.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>And so your advice to Mitch McConnell is don&#8217;t&#8211; he wants to use it as a bargaining chip. \u00a0You think it should be a personal decision?<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think she should&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think she should come up for a vote. \u00a0Look, I think when you have&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>You wouldn\u2019t even bring her up for a vote? \u00a0Why?<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Because of this principle. \u00a0I think it&#8217;s that important.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t even bring her up for a vote. \u00a0Say, &#8220;Look, as a matter of faithfulness to the constitution, no attorney general nominee who has the view that Congress can be cut out of the law writing process should even be considered.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Jane Harman, you&#8217;re a former member of Congress. \u00a0What do you say to this?<\/p>\n<p>JANE HARMAN:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m bursting out of my seat. \u00a0I remember Bush 41, term one, when the Commander-in-Chief authorities were used to do everything. \u00a0And I was in Congress as the senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. \u00a0And we were cut out of a lot of the backup for these new rules and laws.<\/p>\n<p>And I just want to say one thing about her. \u00a0She&#8217;s superbly qualified. \u00a0She will render impartial judgment. \u00a0And then the point here is the President&#8217;s using his authority to issue executive orders, not to write laws.<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>No, no, no, no. \u00a0I mean look, they say it&#8217;s prosecutorial discretion, what they&#8217;re doing. \u00a0But that has to do with individual immigration officers making case by case decisions. \u00a0The President&#8217;s saying this can apply to five million people. \u00a0It&#8217;s a whole new category of law&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>By the way, the courts are going to decide.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>Congress can have its own view of what is constitutional or not.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Right. \u00a0John Stanton, obviously there&#8217;s some Republicans who sit here and say quietly wondering, &#8220;Does this make the party look bad? \u00a0They&#8217;re standing in the way of an historic nomination, African-American woman.&#8221; \u00a0Nobody, even the president himself, not suggesting race is playing a role here. \u00a0But some African-Americans see it as race.<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>Some do, and Dick Durbin sort of explicitly said it on the Senate floor the other day. \u00a0I don&#8217;t think it has anything to do with race.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>This is all about immigration.<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>All about immigration, and it&#8217;s not about McConnell finding himself in a bit of a box. \u00a0I mean this is what he wanted to avoid. \u00a0He did want to get her done early.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>And I mean these people would say to you the explicitly what the president said. \u00a0&#8220;We don&#8217;t want Holder around anymore. \u00a0We want to get rid of him.&#8221; \u00a0And I think he&#8217;s now this could in the end help them in a sense, because it could hurt her politically enough that they may be able to tamp her down a bit when she&#8217;s finally&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;confirmed. \u00a0But it&#8217;s going to be tough.<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Helene Cooper, let me quote Rudy Giuliani. Rich, have you seen this?<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I find Loretta Lynch not only to be an acceptable appointment, but I find her to be an extraordinary appointment.&#8221; \u00a0I&#8217;m going to be shocked if the White House is sending Rudy Giuliani, given&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>You never know. \u00a0They might at some point. \u00a0But she&#8217;s hard to&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>She may not get confirmed. \u00a0I&#8217;m no longer assuming she does.<\/p>\n<p>HELENE COOPER:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not assuming it, either. \u00a0But it&#8217;s very hard to imagine, with the sort of atmosphere that we now have, and the deep divisions between President Obama and the Republican Congress, who we can come up with who would be both palatable to President Obama and this Republican Congress&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>Chuck Schumer came up with Mike Mukasey, for everybody&#8211; thought that&#8211; with a Democratic Senate, and he came up with that, right, Rich? \u00a0And he came up, and Schumer. \u00a0So I guess maybe Cornyn has to come up with something. \u00a0That would be the next&#8211; all right. \u00a0Finally, I want to go to Illinois Congressman Aaron Schock. \u00a0He was on this week, and then a Congressional probe and illegal use of taxpayer money. \u00a0Federal investigators open a preliminary inquiry into Schock, which could lead to charges.<\/p>\n<p>Schock is hardly, though, the first politician from the land of Lincoln to be under federal investigation. \u00a0In fact, his allegations may not even crack the top five of corruption in Illinois. \u00a0Quick snapshot of Illinois politicians who ended up behind bars. \u00a0Look at this: \u00a0four governors, one currently serving time, Rod Blagojevich, back to back governors, John Stanton. \u00a0We got Jesse Jackson, Jr. \u00a0He replaced somebody who also was behind bars. \u00a0I mean Aaron Schock here, if he doesn&#8217;t end up in prison, he&#8217;s not even in the Sweet 16 of corruption in Illinois.<\/p>\n<p>JOHN STANTON:<\/p>\n<p>Illinois sort of become the new Louisiana for your stereotypical, you know, like, oh my gosh, you obviously are going to be some kind of corruption going on in your background, I guess with these politicians.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>RICH LOWRY:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;very tough bracket when it came to corruption.<\/p>\n<p>(OVERTALK)<\/p>\n<p>CHUCK TODD:<\/p>\n<p>It really is. 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