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He ran the NSA and was CIA director starting during the Bush era from &#8217;06 to &#8217;09. We talked to him about this torture report &#8212; he disagrees with the definition, for starters, and says what was carried out was not torture. We then talked about overall and global impact.<\/p>\n<p>[ BEGIN TAPE ]<\/p>\n<p>BRIAN WILLIAMS:<\/p>\n<p>How are we better than our enemies, morally, in light of what we all read about today?<\/p>\n<p>MICHAEL HAYDEN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, let me give you a startling statement, Brian.\u00a0 And, look, everyone knows these things were very tough.\u00a0 I got involved in this very late in the program.\u00a0 I endorsed their use going forward in a very minimized form.<\/p>\n<p>So, these decisions aren&#8217;t taken lightly by anyone, believe me.\u00a0 But let me give you an odd calculus here, Brian.\u00a0 As bad as some people think C.I.A. behavior was, with regard to these 100-or-so detainees, if everyone on the planet used C.I.A. behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would actually improve.<\/p>\n<p>BRIAN WILLIAMS:<\/p>\n<p>Should that be the standard, however?<\/p>\n<p>MICHAEL HAYDEN:<\/p>\n<p>Well, Brian, the standard was, what is lawful, effective, and appropriate at a time of great extremists in the United States, with 3,000 fellow citizens who&#8217;ve been murdered.<\/p>\n<p>\/\/<\/p>\n<p>BRIAN WILLIAMS:<\/p>\n<p>What if you, God forbid, members of your family had to undergo some of the treatments we are reading about in this report?\u00a0 Can you personalize it in that way?<\/p>\n<p>MICHAEL HAYDEN:<\/p>\n<p>I can, Brian.\u00a0 And clearly, look, Brian, we&#8217;re people who, like you and all your viewers, we have a soul and a conscious, too.\u00a0 We knew as bad as these people were, we were doing this to fellow human beings.\u00a0 So, don&#8217;t ever forget that.<\/p>\n<p>Now, you asked me about my family members.\u00a0 I actually think, Brian, that my concern, or my outrage, if that were ever done to any of my family members, would be somewhat muted if my family members had just killed 3,000 of my citizens.<\/p>\n<p>\/\/<\/p>\n<p>BRIAN WILLIAMS:<\/p>\n<p>You are foursquare in defense of everything.\u00a0 All of the physical activities described as torture, contained in today&#8217;s document.\u00a0 Support them then, support them now, and would do them again?<\/p>\n<p>MICHAEL HAYDEN:<\/p>\n<p>Hey, Brian, this isn&#8217;t a response here about defending torture.\u00a0 I&#8217;m here talking to you about defending history.\u00a0 What we really could have used is a really non-political look at the C.I.A. program.\u00a0 The one that was launched when this report first got underway.\u00a0 This report was supposed to have conducted interviews, hearings, and give recommendations.<\/p>\n<p>It doesn&#8217;t have any of those. I was in government for ten years after 9\/11, and let me tell ya, a phrase I never heard from anybody in any position of authority: &#8220;Whatever you guys do about this terrorism threat, please, please don&#8217;t overreact.&#8221;\u00a0 Never heard it, Brian.<\/p>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><strong>NBC NIGHTLY NEWS WITH BRIAN WILLIAMS<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cNBC Nightly News with Brian Williams\u201d is America\u2019s most-watched evening newscast, going beyond the day\u2019s headlines to uncover stories of how people\u2019s lives are affected by the world around them. \u201cNBC Nightly News\u201d reaches over 24 million people every week through its broadcast and millions more through NBCNews.com, the \u201cNightly News\u201d app, and social media platforms. 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