Below is the first partial rush transcript of tonight\u2019s NBC News \u2013 YouTube Democratic debate.<\/p>\n
MANDATORY CREDIT: NBC NEWS \u2013 YOUTUBE DEBATE<\/strong><\/p>\n <\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that’s–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –care with a special–<\/p>\n 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:25:51:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –and that’s– I will be getting to all that coming up but we’re gonna–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:25:53:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Lester, just ten seconds.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:25:54:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –take a break.\u00a0 We need to take–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:25:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just ten seconds.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:25:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –a break.\u00a0 And when we come back–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:25:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All of the thing–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:25:58:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –anger brewing in America.<\/p>\n 09:26:10:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (MUSIC)<\/p>\n 09:26:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (BREAK IN TAPE)<\/p>\n 09:30:04:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (MUSIC)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:30:08:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Welcome back to (UNINTEL) turned into another area where there’s been fierce disagreement, that would be health care.\u00a0 Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton, you both mentioned it in your 100 day priorities.\u00a0 Let’s turn to my colleague, Andrea Mitchell, now to lead that questioning.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:30:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you, Lester.\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, Senator Sanders favors what he calls Medicare for all.\u00a0 Now you’ve said that what he is proposing would tear up Obamacare and replace it.\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, is it really fair to say that Bernie Sanders wants to kill Obamacare?<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:30:39:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, Andrea, I am absolutely committed to universal health care.\u00a0 I’ve worked on this for a long time.\u00a0 People may remember that– I took on the health insurance– industry back in the ’90s.\u00a0 And I didn’t quit until we got the children’s health insurance program that insures eight million kids.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:30:57:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I certainly respect Senator Sanders’ intentions.\u00a0 But when you’re talking about health care the details really mattel– matter.\u00a0 And therefore we have been raising questions about the nine bills that he introduced over 20 years– as to how they would work and what would be the impact on people’s health care.\u00a0 He didn’t like that.\u00a0 His campaign– didn’t like it either.\u00a0 And tonight he’s come out with a new health care plan.\u00a0 And again we need to get into the details.\u00a0 But here’s what I believe.\u00a0 The Democratic party in the United States worked since Harry Truman to get the Affordable Care Act passed.\u00a0 We finally have a path to universal health care.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:31:37:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We’ve accomplished so much already.\u00a0 I do not want to see the Republicans repeal it.\u00a0 And I don’t wanna see us start over again with a contentious debate.\u00a0 I want us to defend (APPLAUSE) and build on the Affordable Care Act and improve it.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:31:54:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:31:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:31:57:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary– Secretary Clinton didn’t answer your question.\u00a0 (LAUGHTER) Because what her campaign was saying Bernie Sanders who has fought for universal health care for my entire life– he wants to end Medicare, end Medicaid, end the children’s health insurance program.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:32:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That is nonsense.\u00a0 What a Medicare for all program does is finally provide in this country health care for every man, woman and child as a right.\u00a0 Now the truth is that (APPLAUSE) Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry Truman, you know what they believed in?\u00a0 They believed that health care should be available to all of our people.\u00a0 I’m on the committee that wrote the Affordable Care Act.\u00a0 I made the Affordable Care Act along with Jim Clyburn a better pr– piece of legislation.\u00a0 I voted for it.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:32:46:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But right now what we have to deal with is the fact that 29 million people still have no health insurance.\u00a0 We are paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, getting ripped off.\u00a0 And here’s the important point, we are spending far more per person on health care than the people of any other country. \u00a0My proposal, provide health care to all people, get private insurance out of health insurance, lower the cost of health care for middle class families by 5,000 bucks.\u00a0 That’s the vision we need to take.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:33:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, Senator Sanders–<\/p>\n 09:33:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:33:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –if I can– (CHEERING) you know, I– I– I have to say I’m not sure whether we’re talking about the plan you just introduced tonight or we’re talking about the plan you introduced nine times in the Congress.\u00a0 But the fact is (APPLAUSE) we have the Affordable Care Act.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:33:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That is one of the greatest accomplishments of President Obama, of the Democratic party (CHEERING) and of our country.\u00a0 And we have already seen 19 million Americans get insurance.\u00a0 We have seen the end of pre-existing conditions keeping people from getting insurance.\u00a0 We have seen women no longer paying more for our insurance than men.\u00a0 And we have seen young people up to the age of 26 being able to stay on their parents’ policy.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:34:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, that’s–<\/p>\n 09:34:06:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:34:04:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now there are things we can do to improve it.\u00a0 But to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate I think is the wrong direction.<\/p>\n 09:34:18:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:34:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have to talk about something that’s absolutely–<\/p>\n 09:34:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:34:21:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:34:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No one’s tearing this up.\u00a0 We’re gonna go forward.\u00a0 But what the secretary neglected to mention, not just the 29 million still have no health insurance, that even more are under insured with huge copayments and deductibles.\u00a0 Tell me why we are spending over three times more than the British who guarantee health care to all of their people?\u00a0 50% more than the French, more than the Canadians.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:34:44:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The vision from FDR and Harry Truman was health care for all people as a right in a cost-effective way.\u00a0 We’re not gonna tear up the Affordable Care Act.\u00a0 I helped write it.\u00a0 But we are going to move on top of that to a Medicare–<\/p>\n 09:35:01:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:35:00:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Andrea–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:35:00:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –for all.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:35:01:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Andrea– Andrea–<\/p>\n 09:35:02:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:35:02:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –instead of– (CHEERING) Andrea, I think instead of attacking one another on health care we should be talking about the things that are actually working.\u00a0 In our state we have moved to an all-payer system.\u00a0 With the Affordable Care Act we now have moved all of our acute care hospitals that driver of cost at the center away from fee for service and actually to pay we pay them based on how well they keep patients out of the hospital.\u00a0 How well they keep their patients.\u00a0 That’s the future.\u00a0 We need to build on the Affordable Care Act, do the things that work and reduce costs and increase access.<\/p>\n 09:35:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:35:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that’s exactly what we are able to do based on the foundation of the Affordable Care Act.\u00a0 What Governor O’Malley just said is one of the models that we will be looking at to make sure we do get costs down.\u00a0 We do limit a lot of the unnecessary cost that we still have in the system.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:35:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But with all due respect, to start over again with a whole new debate is something that I think would set us back.\u00a0 The Republicans just voted last week to repeal the Affordable Care Act and thank goodness President Obama vetoed it and saved Obamacare (CHEERING) for the American people.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:18:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders let me ask you this though–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –yeah.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:36:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –you talked about Medicare for all.\u00a0 And tonight you’ve released a very detailed plan–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not all that detailed–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –just two–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –just–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –hours before the debate.\u00a0 You did.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:28:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –well–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:29:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But let me ask you about Vermont because Vermont– you tried in the state of Vermont.\u00a0 And Vermont walked away from this kind of idea of– of Medicare for all, single payer, because they concluded it require major tax increases–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:40:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –well, that– you– you might want–<\/p>\n 09:36:41:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –and by some estimates it would double the budget.\u00a0 If you couldn’t–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:44:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Andrea, let me just say this–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:44:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –sell it in Vermont, Senator–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:46:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –let me just say that you might–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 09:36:47:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –how can you sell it to the country?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:36:48:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –ask the governor of the state of Vermont why he could not do it.\u00a0 I’m not the governor.\u00a0 I’m the senator from the state of Vermont.\u00a0 But second of all– (APPLAUSE) second of all here is what the real point is.\u00a0 In terms of all of the issues you’ve raised, the good questions you’ve raised, you know what it all comes down to?\u00a0 Do you know why we can’t do what every other country– major country on earth is doing?\u00a0 It’s because we have a campaign finance system that is corrupt.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:37:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have super packs.\u00a0 We have the pharmaceutical industry pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into campaign contributions and lobbying and the private (NOISE) insurance companies as well.\u00a0 What this is really about is not the rational way to go forward.\u00a0 It’s Medicare for all.\u00a0 It is whether we have the guts to stand up to the private insurance companies and all of their money and the pharmaceutical industry.\u00a0 That’s what this debate should be about.\u00a0 (CHEERING)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:37:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, a– as someone who– as someone who has a– a little bit of experience standing up to the health insurance industry that (CHEERING) spent, you know, many, many millions of dollars attacking me and probably will so again because of what I believe we can do, building on the Affordable Care Act, I think it’s important to point out that there are a lot of reasons we have the health care system we have today.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:38:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know how much money influences the political decision making.\u00a0 That’s why I’m for huge campaign finance reform.\u00a0 However, we started a system that had private health insurance.\u00a0 And even during the Affordable Care Act debate there was an opportunity to vote for what was called the public option.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:38:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In other words, people could buy into Medicare.\u00a0 And even when the Democrats were in care of the Congress we couldn’t get the votes for that.\u00a0 So what I’m saying is really simple, this has been the fight of the Democratic party for decades.\u00a0 We have the Affordable Care Act.\u00a0 Let’s make it work.\u00a0 Let’s take the models that states are doing.\u00a0 We now have driven costs down to the lowest they’ve been in 50 years.\u00a0 Now we’ve gotta get individual costs down.\u00a0 That’s what I’m planning to do.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:38:59:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that’s time.\u00a0 We’re gonna take a turn now. Secretary Clinton, in his final State of the Union address President Obama said his biggest– regret was his inability to bring the country together.\u00a0 If President Obama couldn’t do it, how will you?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:39:11:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Great question.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:39:12:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I think it’s an important– point the president made in his State of the Union.\u00a0 And here’s what I would say.\u00a0 I will go anywhere to meet with anyone at any time to find common ground.\u00a0 That’s what I did as a first lady when I worked with both Democrats and Republicans to get the children’s health insurance program.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:39:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When I worked with (UNINTEL) one of the most– partisan of Republicans to reform the adoption and foster care system, what I did working in the Senate where I crossed the aisle often.\u00a0 Working even with the senator from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, to get tri-care for national guardsmen and women.\u00a0 And it’s what I did as secretary of state on numerous compassions.\u00a0 And most particularly rounding up 2\/3 votes in order to pass a treaty that lowered the nuclear weapons in both Russia and the United States.\u00a0 So I know it’s hard.\u00a0 But I also know you’ve gotta work at it every single day.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:40:07:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I look out here I see a lot of my friends from the Congress.\u00a0 And I know that they work at it every single day because maybe you can only find a little sliver of common ground to cooperate with somebody from the other party.\u00a0 But who knows?\u00a0 If you’re successful there maybe you can build even more–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:40:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that’s time.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:40:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –that’s what I will do.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:40:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders response?\u00a0 (CHEERING)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:40:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A couple of years ago when we understood that veterans were not getting the quality care they needed in a timely manner I worked with folks like John McCain and others to pass the most comprehensive veterans’ health care legislation in modern history.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:40:47:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But let me rephrase your question because I think if– in all due respect, your question, in all due respect, (LAUGHTER) you’re missing the main point.\u00a0 And the main point in the Congress, it’s not that Republicans and Democrats hate each other.\u00a0 That’s a mythology from the media.\u00a0 The real issue is that Congress is owned by big money and refuses to do what the American people want them to do.\u00a0 (CHEERING) The real issue is that on– the real issue is that in area after area, raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, the American people want it.\u00a0 Rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, creating le– 13 million jobs, the American people want it.\u00a0 Pay equity for women, the American people want it.\u00a0 Demanding that the wealthy start paying their fair share of taxes, the American people–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:41:39:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That’s–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:41:40:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –want it.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:41:41:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –that’s time.\u00a0 But let me–<\/p>\n 09:41:41:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:41:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have gotta make Congress respond to the needs of the people, not to–<\/p>\n 09:41:47:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:41:45:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders, let me continue.\u00a0 You call yourself a (CHEERING) Democratic socialist.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:41:51:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I do.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:41:51:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And throughout your career in politics you’ve been (LAUGHTER) critical of the Democratic party.\u00a0 Even saying in a book you wrote, quote “There wasn’t a hell of a big difference between the two major parties.”\u00a0 How will you when a general–<\/p>\n 09:42:00:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:42:01:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –how will you win a general election labeling yourself a Democratic socialist?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:42:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –because when I believe– what I was just saying.\u00a0 The Democratic party needs major reform.\u00a0 To those of you in South Carolina, you know what, in Mississippi, we need a 50 state strategy so that people (APPLAUSE) in South Carolina and Mississippi can get the resources that they need instead of being dependent on super packs.\u00a0 What we need is to be dependent on small, individual campaign contributors.\u00a0 We need an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families and low-income people, not wealthy campaign contributors.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:42:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, but senator, you can–<\/p>\n 09:42:43:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:42:44:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –we need to expand– we need to expand what the input into the Democratic party.\u00a0 I am very proud that in this campaign we have seen an enormous amount of excitement from young people, from working people.\u00a0 We have received more individual contributions than any candidate in the history of this country up to this point. \u00a0(CHEERING)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:43:02:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, but senator, you never came–<\/p>\n 09:43:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:43:06:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –to campaign for Vincent Sheheen when he was running for governor.\u00a0 In fact, neither of you came to campaign for Vincent Sheheen when he was running for governor.\u00a0 We can talk all we want about wanting (CLAPPING) to build a stronger Democratic party.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:43:14:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But, Lester, the question you answered, there’s no laughing matter.\u00a0 The most recurring question I get when I stand on the chair all across (UNINTEL) and talk with my neighbors is, “How are you going to heal the divisions and the wounds in our country?”<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:43:29:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is the biggest challenge we face as a people.\u00a0 All my life I brought people together over– over deep divides and– and very old wounds.\u00a0 And that’s what we need now in a new leader.\u00a0 We cannot keep s– talking past each other, declaring all Republicans our enemies or the war is all about being against millionaires or billionaires or it’s all against American Muslims or all against immigrants.\u00a0 Look, it’s Frederick Douglas said, “We are one.\u00a0 Our cause is one.\u00a0 And we must help each other if we’re going to succeed–”<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:43:53:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that is– that is–<\/p>\n 09:43:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:43:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –and that– (CHEERING)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:43:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I respectfully disagree–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:43:57:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Secretary Clinton, my next question is for you.<\/p>\n 09:44:00:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:43:59:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I respectfully disagree with– with my c– my friend over here.\u00a0 And that is you are right.\u00a0 All of us have denounced Trump, attempt to divide this country, the anti-Latino rhetoric, the racist rhetoric, the anti-Muslim rhetoric.\u00a0 But where I disagree with you, Governor O’Malley is I do believe we have to deal with the fundamental issues of a handful of billionaires–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:44:23:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I agree with that.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:44:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –who control the economic and political life of this country.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:44:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I agree.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:44:28:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nothing real will– get– happen unless we have a political revolution–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:44:31:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And– and–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:44:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –where millions of people–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:44:33:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –and we’re gonna–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:44:33:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –finally stand up.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:44:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –we’re gonna get into that coming up.\u00a0 But Secretary Clinton, (APPLAUSE) here’s another question from YouTube.\u00a0 It’s from a young video blogger who has over five million subscribers.\u00a0 He has a question about the importance of younger voters.<\/p>\n CONNOR FRANTA:<\/p>\n 09:44:45:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hi, I’m Connor Franta.\u00a0 I’m 23 and my audience is around the same age.\u00a0 Getting my generation’s vote should be a priority for any presidential candidate.\u00a0 Now I know Senator Sanders is pretty popular among my peers.\u00a0 But what I wanna know is how are all of you planning on engaging us further in this election?<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:45:03:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary Clinton.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:45:03:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, thanks for the question.\u00a0 And– congratulations on five million viewers on YouTube.\u00a0 That’s quite an accomplishment.\u00a0 Look, this election is mostly about the future.\u00a0 And therefore it is of greatest urgency for young people.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:45:21:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I’ve laid out my ideas about what we can do to make college affordable, how we can help people pay off their student debts and save thousands of dollars, how we can create more good jobs.\u00a0 Because a lot of the young people that I talk with are pretty disappointed about the economic prospects they feel they’re facing.\u00a0 So making community college free, making it possible to attend a public college or university with debt-free tuition.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:45:49:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Looking for ways to protect our rights, especially from the concerted Republican assault on voting rights, on women’s rights, on gay rights, on civil rights, on workers’ rights.\u00a0 And I know how much young people value their independence, their autonomy and their rights.\u00a0 So I think this is an election where we have to pull young people and older people together to have a strategy about how we’re going to encourage even more Americans to vote.\u00a0 Because it is absolutely clear–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That– that–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:46:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –to me that turning–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –that’s time but–<\/p>\n 09:46:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:46:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –over our White House to the Republicans–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary–<\/p>\n 09:46:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:46:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –would be bad for everybody, especially young people.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:31:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –a quick follow-up, a 30-second follow-up, (APPLAUSE) why is Senator Sanders beating you two to one among younger voters?<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:46:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I– I– look, I have the greatest respect for Senator Sanders and– for his supporters.\u00a0 And I’m gonna keep working as hard as I can– to reach as many people of all ages– about what I will do, what the experience and the ideas that I have that I will bring to the White House.\u00a0 And I hope to have their support when I’m the Democratic nominee.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All right, we’re gonna–<\/p>\n 09:46:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:46:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –we’re gonna take a break.\u00a0 When we come back, (CHEERING) big bank, big business and big differences among the three candidates on the American economy.\u00a0 We’ll be right back.<\/p>\n 09:47:08:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (MUSIC)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:51:18:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Welcome back from Charleston.\u00a0 Let’s turn now to the economy.\u00a0 Senator Sanders, you released a tough new ad last week in which without mentioning Secretary Clinton by name, you talk about two Democratic vision for regulating Wall Street.\u00a0 Quote, “One says it’s okay to take millions from big banks and tell them what to do.\u00a0 My plan, break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes, and make them pay their fair share.”\u00a0 What do you see as the difference between what you would do about the banks and what Secretary Clinton would do?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:51:47:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, the first difference is, I don’t take money from big banks.\u00a0 I don’t get personal speaking fees from Goldman Sachs.\u00a0 What I would do– (APPLAUSE) what I would do is understand that when you have three out of the four largest banks today bigger than they were when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail, when you have the six largest financial institutions having assets of 60% of the G.D.P. of America, it is very clear to me what you have to do.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:52:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You gotta bring back the 21st century Glass-Steagall legislation and you gotta break up these huge financial institutions.\u00a0 They have too much economic power and they have too much financial power over our entire economy.\u00a0 If Teddy Roosevelt were alive today, the old Republican trust buster, what he would say is, “These guys are too powerful.\u00a0 Break them up.”\u00a0 I believe that’s what the American people want to see.\u00a0 That’s my view.\u00a0 (APPLAUSE)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:52:52:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, help the voter understand the daylight between the two of you here.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:52:57:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, there’s no daylight on the basic– premise that there should be no bank too big to fail and no individual too powerful to jail.\u00a0 We agree on that.\u00a0 But where we disagree is the comments that Senator Sanders has made that don’t just affect me.\u00a0 I can take that.\u00a0 But he’s criticized President Obama for taking donations from Wall Street.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:53:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And President Obama has led our country out of the great recession.\u00a0 Senator Sanders called him weak, disappointing.\u00a0 He even, in 2011, publicly sought someone to run in a primary against President Obama.\u00a0 Now, I personally believe that President Obama’s work to push through the Dodd-Frank– (AUDIENCE REACTION) the Dodd-Frank bill and then to sign it was one of the most important regulatory schemes we’ve had since the 1930s.\u00a0 So I’m gonna defend (APPLAUSE) Dodd-Frank and I’m gonna defend President Obama for taking on Wall Street, (CHEERING) taking on the financial industry, and getting results.<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:54:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders, your response–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:54:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, first of all, set the record right.\u00a0 In 2006 when I ran for the Senate, Senator Barack Obama was kids enough to campaign for me.\u00a0 2008, I did my best to see that he was elected.\u00a0 And in 2012, I worked as hard as I could to see that he was reelected.\u00a0 You know, I– our friends, we work together on many issues, we have some differences of opinion.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:54:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But here is the issue.\u00a0 Secretary touched on it.\u00a0 Can you really reform Wall Street when they are spending millions and millions of dollars on campaign contributions and when they are providing speaker fees to individuals?\u00a0 So it’s easy to say, “Well, I’m gonna do this and do that.”\u00a0 But I have doubts when people receive huge amounts of money from Wall Street.\u00a0 I am very proud.\u00a0 I do not have a super PAC.\u00a0 I do not want Wall Street’s money.\u00a0 I’ll rely on the middle class and working families for my campaign contributions–<\/p>\n 09:55:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:55:10:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –that’s time.\u00a0 Governor O’Malley, I– I have a question for you– (APPLAUSE)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:55:11:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, you know, I think that– I think then, if Senator Sanders followed up on this–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:55:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 First, 30-second response.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:55:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Your– your profusion of comments about your feelings towards President Obama– are a little strange, given what you said about him in 2011.\u00a0 But look, I have a plan that most commentators have said is tougher more effective, and more comprehensive.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:55:35:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That’s not true.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:55:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It builds on the Dodd-Frank– (AUDIENCE REACTION) yes it is.\u00a0 It builds on the Dodd-Frank regulatory–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:55:41:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It’s just not true.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:55:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –schemes.\u00a0 But it goes much further.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:55:44:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh come on.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:55:45:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Because both the governor and the senator have focused only on the big banks.\u00a0 Lehman Brothers, AIG, the shadow banking sector, were as big a problem in what caused the Great Recession.\u00a0 I go after them, and I can tell you that the hedge fund billionaires who are running ads against me right now, and Karl Rove, who started running an ad against me right now, funded by money from the financial services sector, sure think I’m the one they don’t want to be up against–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:56:14:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Governor– Governor O’Malley.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:56:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, thank you.\u00a0 (CHEERING) (APPLAUSE) Yeah, Le– Lester, what Secretary Clinton just said is actually not true.\u00a0 What– (APPLAUSE) I have put forward a plan that would actually put cops back on the beat of Wall Street.\u00a0 I have put forward a plan that was heralded as very comprehensive and realistic.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:56:36:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Look, if– if a bank robber robs a bank, and all you do is slap ’em on the wrist, he’s just gonna keep robbing banks again.\u00a0 The same thing is true with people in suits.\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, I have a tremendous amount of respect for you.\u00a0 But for you to say there’s no daylight on this between the three of us, is also not true.\u00a0 I support reinstituting a modern version of Glass-Steagall that would include going after the shadow banks, requiring capital requirements that would force them to– no longer put us on the hook for these sorts of things.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 09:57:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In prior debates, I’ve heard you even bring up– I mean, fir– now you p– bring up President Obama here in South Carolina, in defense of the fact of your cozy relationship with Wall Street.\u00a0 In an earlier debate, I heard you bring up even the 911, 9\/11 victims to defend it.\u00a0 The truth of the matter is, Secretary Clinton, you did not go as far in reining in Wall Street as I would.\u00a0 And the fact of the matter is, the people of America deserve to have a president that’s on their side, protecting the main street economy from excesses on Wall Street and–<\/p>\n 09:57:33:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 09:57:34:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, your 30-second response.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:57:35:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, well– (CHEERING) (APPLAUSE) first of all– first of all, Paul Krugman, Barney Frank, others, have all endorsed my plan.\u00a0 Secondly, we have Dodd-Frank.\u00a0 It gives us the authority already to break up big banks that pose–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:57:52:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And we’ve never used it.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:57:53:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –that pose a risk to the financial sector.\u00a0 I wanna go further and add to that.\u00a0 And, you know, Governor, you have raised money on Wall Street.\u00a0 You raised a lotta money on Wall Street when you were the head of the Democrat Governor’s Association.\u00a0 And you were–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:58:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, but I haven’t gotten a penny this year.\u00a0 Would somebody please go up–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:11:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:58:12:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –to MartinOMalley.com– (CHEERING) go into MartinOMalley.com, send me your checks.\u00a0 They’re not getting– zero.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, the– yeah, well–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:58:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So what do you–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So– but the point is that if– if we’re going to be–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:58:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The point being–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –serious about this, and not just try to score political points–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –we should know what’s in Dodd-Frank.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:28:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right, let’s ta–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:29:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And what’s in Dodd-Frank already gives the president–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:30:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, let’s not score political points–<\/p>\n 09:58:30:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –the authority to give regulators–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me give you an example of how–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:58:34:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –to make those decisions.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:35:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –corrupt– (CHEERING) how corrupt the system is.\u00a0 (APPLAUSE) Goldman Sachs recently fined $5 billion.\u00a0 Goldman Sachs has given this country two secretaries of Treasury, one on the Republicans, one on the Democrats.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:58:53:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 09:58:54:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The leader of Goldman Sachs is a billionaire who comes to congress and tells us we should cut social security, Medicare, and Medicaid.\u00a0 Secretary Clinton, and you’re not the only one, so I don’t mean to just point the finger at you.\u00a0 You’ve received over $600,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs in one year.\u00a0 I find it very strange that a major financial institution that pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the law, not one of their executives is prosecuted while kids who smoke marijuana (CHEERING) get a jail sentence.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 09:59:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Andrea–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 09:59:33:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, it’s– l– the last point on this is Senator Sanders, you’re the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000, to take the cops off the street, to use Governor O’Malley’s phrase, to make the S.E.C. and the communities– the Commodities–\u00a0 Futures Trading Commission, no longer able to regulate swaps and derivatives, which were one of the main cause of the collapse in ’08.\u00a0 So there’s plenty–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:00:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you want to– (APPLAUSE)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:00:06:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –there’s plenty of problems that we all have to face together.\u00a0 And I– the final thing I would say, we’re at least having a feverish debate about reining in Wall Street–<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 10:00:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:00:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –the Republicans wanna give them–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:00:16:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n 10:00:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:00:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –more power and repeal–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:00:18:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Any–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:00:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Dodd-Frank.\u00a0 That’s what we need to stop–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:00:21:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Anyone who wants to check (APPLAUSE) my record–\u00a0\u00a0 (CHEERING) anyone who wants to check my record in taking on Wall Street, in fighting against the deregulation of Wall Street, when Wall Street put billions of dollars in lobbying, in campaign contributions, to get the government off their backs, they got the government off their backs.\u00a0 Turns out that they were crooks, and they destroyed our economy.\u00a0 I think it’s time to put the government back on their backs.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:00:56:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders– (APPLAUSE) Senator Sanders, we’ve talked a lot about things you want to do.\u00a0 You want free education for everyone, you want the federal minimum wage–<\/p>\n 10:01:05:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:01:06:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –raised to $15 an hour, (LAUGHTER) you want to expand social security benefits–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:01:09:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, right.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:01:11:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You’re very specific about what you want.\u00a0 But let’s talk about how to pay for all this–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:01:14:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Good.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:01:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You have now said that you would raise taxes today, two hours or so ago, you said you would raise taxes to pay for your healthcare plan.\u00a0 You haven’t been specific about how to pay for the other things.<\/p>\n 10:01:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:01:25:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you tell us tonight?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:01:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Good.\u00a0 You’re right.\u00a0 I want to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, create 13 million jobs.\u00a0 We do that by doing away with the absurd loopholes that now allows major profitable corporations to stash their money in the Cayman Islands and not in some years pay a nickel in taxes.\u00a0 Yes, I do.\u00a0 I plead guilty.\u00a0 I want every kid in this c– country, who has the ability, to be able to go to a public college or university tuition-free.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 10:01:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And by the way, I want to substantially lower student debt interest rates in this country as well.\u00a0 How do I pay for it?\u00a0 (APPLAUSE) I pay for it through a (UNINTEL) tax on Wall Street speculation.\u00a0 This country and the middle class bailed out Wall Street.\u00a0 Now it is Wall Street’s time to help the middle class.\u00a0 In fact–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 10:02:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Andrea–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:02:15:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –we have documented, (APPLAUSE) unlike Secretary Clinton, I have documented exactly how I would pay for our ambitious agenda.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 10:02:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Andrea, I’m the only person on this stage–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:02:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secretary– secretary Clinton, he mentioned–<\/p>\n 10:02:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:02:26:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –so Secretary Clinton, you want to respond?<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:02:28:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I have– actually documented– every way that I’m going to pay for what I’m doing– because I think the American public deserves to know.\u00a0 And you can go to my website and actually see that.\u00a0 But there are serious questions about how we’re going to pay for what we want to see our country do.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 10:02:48:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I’m the only candidate standing here tonight who has said I will not raise taxes on the middle class.\u00a0 I want to raise incomes, not taxes.\u00a0 And I’m gonna do everything I can to make sure that the wealthy pay for debt-free tuition, for childcare, for paid family leave, to help us bring down student debt, we’re going to refinance that student debt, saving kids thousands of dollars.\u00a0 Yeah, and that will also come out of some of the pockets of–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:03:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:03:19:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –people in the financial services industry–<\/p>\n 10:03:20:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:03:21:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –but Senator Sanders, let me–<\/p>\n HILLARY CLINTON:<\/p>\n 10:03:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But I will tell you exactly how I pay for everything I propose–<\/p>\n 10:03:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:03:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Here is the major point–<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:03:27:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator Sanders, let me ask you a question about taxes–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:03:29:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:03:29:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –because the most (UNINTEL) political (LAUGHTER) issue in–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:03:32:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I got you.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:03:33:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –in the last month was taxes.\u00a0 Now, in your healthcare plan, the plan you released tonight, you would not only raise taxes on the wealthy, the details you released indicate you would raise taxes on the middle class also.\u00a0 Is that correct?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:03:45:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What is correct, and I am disappointed that Secretary Clinton’s campaign has made this criticism.\u00a0 It’s a Republican criticism.\u00a0 Secretary Clinton does know a lot about healthcare.\u00a0 And she understands, I believe, that a Medicaid-for-all-single-payer program, will substantially lower the cost of healthcare for middle class families.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 10:04:08:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So what we have got to acknowledge, and I hope the secretary does, is we are doing away with private health insurance premiums.\u00a0 So instead of paying $10,000 to Blue Cross or Blue Shield, yes, some middle class families would be paying slightly more in taxes.\u00a0 But the result would be that that middle class family would be saving some $5,000 in healthcare costs.\u00a0 A little bit more in taxes, do away with private health insurance premiums.\u00a0 It’s a pretty good deal.\u00a0 (APPLAUSE)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:04:39:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator–<\/p>\n 10:04:39:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK)<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:04:40:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –Senator, let me just follow up on that, because–<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:04:41:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/p>\n 10:04:42:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –on Meet the Press, on December 20th, you said that you would only raise taxes on the middle class to pay for family leave.\u00a0 And having said that, now you say you’re gonna raise middle class taxes to pay for healthcare as well.\u00a0 Is that breaking your word?<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:04:55:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 It is not breaking my word.\u00a0 When you are– it’s one thing to say, “I’m raising taxes.”\u00a0 It’s another thing to say that we are doing away with private health insurance premiums.\u00a0 So if I save you $10,000 in private health insurance, and you pay a little bit more in taxes in total, there are huge savings in what your family is spending.<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 10:05:17:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Senator, I’m the only person on this stage that’s actually balanced a budget every year for 15 years.<\/p>\n BERNIE SANDERS:<\/p>\n 10:05:22:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was mayor for eight years, I did that as well–<\/p>\n MARTIN O’MALLEY:<\/p>\n 10:05:24:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, so that was eight years.\u00a0 (LAUGHTER) Yeah.\u00a0 And Senator, but I actually did it during a budget downtime, during a recession.\u00a0 And– and Andrea– I had to make more cuts than any governor in the state of Maryland.\u00a0 But we invested more in infrastructure, more in transportation.\u00a0 We made our public schools number one in America five years in a w– row.\u00a0 And went four years in a row without a penny’s increase to college tuition.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 10:05:46:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The things that we need to do in our country, like debt-free college in the next five years, like making univer– like making national service a universal operation in order to cut youth employment in half in the next three years, all of these things can be done if we eliminate one entitlement we can no longer afford as a nation.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n 10:06:04:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that is the entitlement that the super wealthy among us, those making more than a million dollars, feel that they are entitled to paying a much, much lower marginal tax rate than what’s usual for the better part of these 80 years.\u00a0 And if we tax– earnings from investments on money, namely capital gains at the same rate that we tax earnings from sweat and hard work and toil, we can make the investments we need to make to make our country better.\u00a0 (CHEERING)<\/p>\n LESTER HOLT:<\/p>\n 10:06:28:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We’ve got a lot of ground to cover here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Below is the first partial rush transcript of tonight\u2019s NBC News \u2013 YouTube Democratic debate. MANDATORY CREDIT: NBC NEWS \u2013 YOUTUBE DEBATE LESTER HOLT: 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that’s– BERNIE SANDERS: 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –care with a special– 09:25:50:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (OVERTALK) LESTER HOLT: 09:25:51:00\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 –and that’s– I will be getting to all that coming up but we’re gonna– BERNIE […]<\/p>\n