{"id":1092,"date":"2015-12-27T12:26:16","date_gmt":"2015-12-27T17:26:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/press.nbcnews.com\/?p=1092"},"modified":"2015-12-27T12:26:16","modified_gmt":"2015-12-27T17:26:16","slug":"mtp-sanders-the-real-issues-are-not-donald-trumps-vulgarities-dnc-chair-says-gop-raising-bill-clinton-as-a-negative-to-their-peril","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nbcuniversalnewsgroup.com\/nbcnews\/2015\/12\/27\/mtp-sanders-the-real-issues-are-not-donald-trumps-vulgarities-dnc-chair-says-gop-raising-bill-clinton-as-a-negative-to-their-peril\/","title":{"rendered":"MTP: SANDERS: \u201cTHE REAL ISSUES ARE NOT DONALD TRUMP\u2019S VULGARITIES\u201d; DNC CHAIR SAYS GOP RAISING BILL CLINTON AS A NEGATIVE \u201cTO THEIR PERIL\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p><strong>Sanders: \u201cRight now we\u2019re in negotiations with the DNC\u201d over data breach<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Wasserman Schultz: Trump has brought his tone \u201cto the lowest steps I&#8217;ve ever seen in a presidential campaign\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Amb. Wendy Sherman: Trump\u2019s anti-Muslim rhetoric is \u201cplaying right into the recruitment by the jihadis of people from all over the world\u201d <\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DECEMBER 27, 2015 &#8212; In an interview on NBC\u2019s \u201cMeet the Press\u201d today, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said his campaign is \u201cin negotiations\u201d with the DNC over the recent data breach and working to \u201cput this whole thing behind us.\u201d \u00a0Asked by guest moderator Andrea Mitchell whether the DNC is giving him a fair shot in the primary, Sanders responded that they are \u201ctrying to work out our differences of opinions.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sanders also addressed Donald Trump\u2019s latest controversial comments, saying: \u201cthe real issues are not Donald Trump&#8217;s vulgarities,\u201d but topics such as minimum wage, climate change, and racial divisions. Watch the full interview: <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JCx0D3\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JCx0D3<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DNC chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) reacted to Trump\u2019s tweet accusing Bill Clinton of sexism, warning: \u201cI think that Donald Trump or any candidate on the other side of the aisle would raise Bill Clinton as somehow a negative to their peril.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Two former diplomats weighed in on Trump\u2019s anti-Muslim rhetoric and praise of Putin. \u00a0Former U.S. Undersecretary of State for Diplomatic Affairs Wendy Sherman called his rhetoric \u201cincredibly dangerous,\u201d adding: \u201cThis kind of Islamaphobia is really playing right into the recruitment by the jihadis of people from all over the world.\u201d Michael McFaul, former US Ambassador to Russia, said Trump\u2019s comments about Putin are \u201cwrong&#8230;on so many different levels.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today\u2019s political panel included Yahoo! News national political correspondent Matt Bai, New York Times Pentagon correspondent Helene Cooper, The Cook Political Report national editor Amy Walter, and Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The program also featured Chuck Todd\u2019s interview with director Spike Lee about his latest film, \u201cChi-Raq,\u201d and gun violence in America. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"># # # \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>MANDATORY CREDIT: NBC NEWS\u2019 \u201cMEET THE PRESS\u201d \u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mandatory credit to NBC News\u2019 \u201cMeet the Press\u201d on first reference.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The onscreen \u201cMeet the Press\u201d credit must be clearly visible and unobstructed at all times in any image, video clip, or other form of media.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Embedded web video must stream from the NBCNews.com media player with the unobstructed credit as described above.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"># # #<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sanders says his campaign is \u201cin negotiations\u201d with the DNC over data breach<\/b><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WATCH: <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1UbBVAs\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1UbBVAs<\/span><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We&#8217;re trying to work with the DNC to put this whole thing behind us. \u00a0There were two breaches. \u00a0We screwed up on one and the other one we did the right thing. \u00a0Right now we&#8217;re in negotiations with the DNC. \u00a0Frankly, Andrea, I think for the American people there are far more important issues having to do with the disappearance of the American middle class and huge income and wealth inequality and climate change and the corrupt campaign finance system. \u00a0So I think on both sides we&#8217;d like to focus on the real issues.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sanders: \u201cThe real issues are not Donald Trump&#8217;s vulgarities. \u00a0And he is vulgar.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Look, the real issues are not Donald Trump&#8217;s vulgarities. \u00a0And he is vulgar. \u00a0It is the fact that Donald Trump thinks we should not be raising the minimum wage. \u00a0He believes that wages in America are too high. \u00a0This guy wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 3\/10 of 1%, and meanwhile what he wants to do is divide our country between Latinos and Americans and Muslims and everybody else. \u00a0That&#8217;s not the kind of America we need. \u2026 We&#8217;ve got some really important issues to discuss in this campaign. \u00a0And I intend to do just that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sanders: \u201cWe&#8217;re trying to work out our differences of opinions\u201d with the DNC<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Look, we have had our differences of opinions with the DNC, but at the end of the day the DNC, Hillary Clinton and myself, we want to defeat right wing extremism in this country. \u00a0So we&#8217;re trying to work out our differences of opinions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Wasserman Schultz: Trump is \u201can equal opportunity insulter\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My assessment of Donald Trump&#8217;s candidacy is that he&#8217;s been an equal opportunity insulter. \u00a0He has engaged in some of the most vulgar invective and rhetoric and really brought this presidential campaign, its tone and where the debate is on the other side of the aisle, to the lowest steps I&#8217;ve ever seen in a presidential campaign.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Wasserman Schultz: Trump raising Bill Clinton as a negative to his own \u201cperil\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WATCH: <\/span><\/i><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OfNMNQ\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1OfNMNQ<\/span><\/i><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think that Donald Trump or any candidate on the other side of the aisle would raise Bill Clinton as somehow a negative to their peril. \u00a0I think every poll I&#8217;ve ever seen shows that if President Clinton were a candidate tomorrow he&#8217;d be reelected. \u00a0He presided at that time over the longest period of sustained prosperity up to that point. \u00a0Finished his term very popular and continues to be one of the most admired elected officials, and former elected officials, and men in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>DNC chair: Trump is doing well because \u201cthis is where the Republican party is today\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s very simple. \u00a0Why he&#8217;s doing so well in the Republican field is because this is where the Republican party of today. \u00a0They embrace defunding Planned Parenthood. \u00a0They don&#8217;t believe in equal pay for equal work. \u00a0They don&#8217;t believe that we should make sure that women have an opportunity to make their own healthcare choices. This is not where Americans are today. \u00a0Americans are where the Democratic party is. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sherman: Trump\u2019s anti-Muslim rhetoric is \u201cplaying right into the recruitment by the jihadis of people from all over the world\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WATCH: <\/span><\/i><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ZvEP6N\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ZvEP6N<\/span><\/i><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wendy Sherman, how is this anti-Muslim rhetoric having an impact on our foreign policy and our relationships with allies?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WENDY SHERMAN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s incredibly dangerous, Andrea. \u00a0This kind of Islamophobia is really playing right into the recruitment by the jihadis of people from all over the world. \u00a0It is alienating the very people that we need to be working with us. \u00a0This has to be led by the Muslim world, this effort to defeat ISIS. \u00a0The United States is an important partner in that effort, but we cannot do it alone. \u00a0We should not do it alone. \u00a0And indeed this kind of rhetoric is only pushing people away from us when we need them the very most.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>McFaul: Trump is \u201cwrong\u201d on Putin \u201con so many different levels\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WATCH: <\/span><\/i><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JaKPOi\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JaKPOi<\/span><\/i><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MIKE MCFAUL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There&#8217;s so many things that are wrong with that statement on so many different levels. \u00a0First of all, Vladimir Putin does only things that are in Russia&#8217;s national interest. \u00a0So for him to be endorsing Mr. Trump, that&#8217;s because he thinks it&#8217;s in Russia&#8217;s national interest for Mr. Trump to be the leader in the United States.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"># # # <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Additional video clips from today\u2019s program:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trump and the Media: Match Made in Heaven? <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1mkQCpT\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1mkQCpT<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Commander in Chief Test: Which Candidate Can Handle the Turbulent World <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ZvFcOC\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ZvFcOC<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Panel: Can Anyone Stop Donald Trump? <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1VlhSRl\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1VlhSRl<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Spike Lee on America&#8217;s Gun Culture <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ORPfWV\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1ORPfWV<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Remembering Those in Politics &amp; Media We Lost in 2015 <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JaLdMz\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">http:\/\/nbcnews.to\/1JaLdMz<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p># # #<\/p>\n<p><b>MEET THE PRESS &#8212; DECEMBER 27, 2015 <\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>FULL TRANSCRIPT<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This Sunday, Donald Trump is still leaping ahead, and nothing he says seems to slow him down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know where she went. It\u2019s disgusting I don\u2019t want to talk about it<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Will 2016 be the year the political establishment of both parties gets toppled? I\u2019ll be joined by Bernie Sanders, another outsider who has upset the old political order.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Also, the commander-in-chief test. With America facing challenges on a scale not seen since 9\/11, which candidate is best qualified to keep us safe at home and abroad?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And film director Spike Lee on America\u2019s gun culture<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why are we okay that 88 Americans die every day due to gun violence? Why are we okay with that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Joining me this morning for insight and analysis are Matt Bai of Yahoo! News, Helene Cooper of the New York Times, Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report and Michael Gerson of the Washington Post.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Sunday, it\u2019s Meet the Press.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANNOUNCER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">From NBC News in Washington, this is Meet the Press<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And good Sunday morning. \u00a0I&#8217;m Andrea Mitchell in for Chuck Todd who is taking a well deserved holiday break. \u00a0Twelve months ago most political pundits would have laughed in your face if you suggested that by the end of the year Donald Trump would have a commanding lead in the race for the Republican nomination. \u00a0And Bernie Sanders would be giving Hillary Clinton a run for her money on the Democratic side.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But 2015 has been a year when conventional wisdom was turned on its head. \u00a0The big question for 2016 is whether the old order can reassert itself. \u00a0In a moment, I&#8217;ll be joined by Bernie Sanders, but this Christmas week there wasn&#8217;t any peace and goodwill from Trump as he used a vulgar term to refer to Hillary Clinton&#8217;s 2008 defeat to Barack Obama, and criticized her for taking a bathroom break during last weekend&#8217;s Democratic debate.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">She got schlonged. \u00a0I know where she went. \u00a0It&#8217;s disgusting. \u00a0I don&#8217;t want to talk about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Clinton hit back, accusing Trump of using degrading and sexist language.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HILLARY CLINTON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nothing really surprises me anymore. \u00a0I don&#8217;t know that he has any boundaries at all. \u00a0And his bigotry, his bluster, his bullying have become his campaign.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My next guest, Bernie Sanders, responded with humor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m going to honest with you, have got to lay it out on the table. \u00a0I also went to the bathroom.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sanders has shown surprising strength in the early voting states and in some hypothetical match ups against Trump. \u00a0But what is his path to the nomination? \u00a0Senator Sanders joins me now from Burlington, Vermont. Welcome back to Meet the Press, happy holidays senator.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Happy holidays to you and to all of your viewers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you very much. \u00a0Well, let&#8217;s talk about, first of all, the data breach and the dust up between you and the Democratic party. \u00a0You fired one staffer. \u00a0Suspended two others. \u00a0Has any other action been taken, any update now, on this dispute?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, we&#8217;re trying to work with the DNC to put this whole thing behind us. \u00a0There were two breaches. \u00a0We screwed up on one and the other one we did the right thing. \u00a0Right now we&#8217;re in negotiations with the DNC. \u00a0Frankly, Andrea, I think for the American people there are far more important issues having to do with the disappearance of the American middle class and huge income and wealth inequality and climate change and the corrupt campaign finance system. \u00a0So I think on both sides we&#8217;d like to focus on the real issues.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, while you&#8217;re trying to, as you point out, focus on the real issues, there have been charges of sexism back and forth between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. \u00a0He used a vulgar term against her and then said it wasn&#8217;t really that vulgar. \u00a0Then she said said that she&#8217;s going to have Bill Clinton campaigning in January and he tweeted out in the last 24 hours, &#8220;Hillary Clinton has announced she is letting her husband up to campaign, but he&#8217;s demonstrated a penchant for sexism. \u00a0So inappropriate.&#8221; \u00a0Are we getting into an argument not only of sexism between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, but Donald Trump attacking Bill Clinton?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I tell you what. \u00a0We&#8217;re going to let my wife Jane out and I think Hillary is going to be in real, real trouble. \u00a0But look, the real issues are not Donald Trump&#8217;s vulgarity. \u00a0And he is vulgar. \u00a0It is the fact that Donald Trump thinks we should not be raising the minimum wage. \u00a0He believes that wages in America are too high. \u00a0This guy wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 3\/10 of 1%, and meanwhile what he wants to do is divide our country between Latinos and Americans and Muslims and everybody else. \u00a0That&#8217;s not the kind of America we need.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Andrea, what we have got to do is ask the hard questions. \u00a0And that is why is it that the people on top are doing phenomenally well while almost everybody else is seeing a decline in their real incomes? \u00a0Why is it that we&#8217;re not effectively addressing the fact that climate change is absolutely real.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am in Burlington, Vermont right now. \u00a0Nobody can recall a Christmas Eve the likes of which we have seen where the temperature was 65\u00b0. \u00a0And what the scientists are telling us, if we don&#8217;t get our act together we&#8217;re going to be leaving a planet to our kids and grandchildren which is not going to be in good shape. \u00a0And yet Donald Trump, among others, denies even the reality of climate change, let alone doing something about it. \u00a0So we&#8217;ve got some really important issues to discuss in this campaign. \u00a0And I intend to do just that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">While these are really important issues, what recent polling shows is that Americans, since Paris, since San Bernardino, are more concerned about terrorism, the threat of terrorism, than they are about the economy. \u00a0At least according to the polling. \u00a0And in fact you have polled within eight points of Hillary Clinton in a recent CNN poll, taken before last Saturday night&#8217;s debate. \u00a0But the margin widened to 33 points among those polled after the Saturday night debate, which shows the&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, Andrea, I think&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;heavy on foreign policy. \u00a0Let me just finish. \u00a0Doesn&#8217;t it show that you still, among people who are concerned about foreign policy, concerned about terror, you really have some ground to make up against Hillary Clinton.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s interesting the way CNN spun that poll, because you know what that poll showed? \u00a0It showed between their last poll and this current poll we gained 12 points on Hillary Clinton. \u00a0She dropped eight. \u00a0We went up by four. \u00a0That is the message of the poll. \u00a0Another poll came out, Rasmussen, also showing us closing the gap. \u00a0In New Hampshire some of the recent polls have us ahead and in Iowa, we&#8217;re close to catching up to her. \u00a0So I think what the polls are showing is that the American people are responding to our message.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, in terms of ISIS and in terms of foreign policy, these are of course huge issues. \u00a0The American people are concerned about another terrorist attack, and what I have said over and over again, we must destroy ISIS but we must do it in a way that is smart. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the same time, the polling has shown that on foreign policy and on ISIS that you are far, far behind Hillary Clinton. \u00a0And you have said that you would somehow persuade the Saudis to stop fighting in Yemen and turn their attention to ISIS. \u00a0No one else has been able to get that, to persuade the Saudis to do that. \u00a0How could you, as commander-in-chief, do what other presidents have failed to do in terms of getting the Saudis to listen to what America wants for the fight against these terror groups?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, what has got to happen, and certainly the United States and the other major powers have a great deal of leverage, A, it cannot be the United States alone. \u00a0B, what many people in the Middle East understand, it must be the Muslims themselves on the ground destroying ISIS. \u00a0So what we need is in fact a coalition. \u00a0Saudi Arabia, Qatar are incredibly wealthy countries and they have got to start using some of their resources to help us destroy ISIS, rather than, in the case of Saudi Arabia, fighting in Yemen. \u00a0In the case of Qatar, spending hundreds of billions of dollars in preparation for the World Cup in 2022. \u00a0So what I think American leadership is about is putting together that international coalition to destroy ISIS.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But let me also say this, Andrea. \u00a0I know sometimes the media thinks that is the only issue. \u00a0It is an enormously important issue. \u00a0We have got to defend America. \u00a0We have got to destroy ISIS. \u00a0But right now are people watching this program who are 55, 60 years of age. \u00a0They have zero dollars in their retirement account. \u00a0They&#8217;re wondering how they&#8217;re going to make it in their older age, which is why we have to expand Social Security.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There are millions of young people out there desperately want to go to college. \u00a0Don&#8217;t want to leave college deeply in debt. \u00a0We have got to deal with that issue. \u00a0We&#8217;re the only major country on Earth that doesn&#8217;t provide paid family and medical leave. \u00a0Doesn&#8217;t provide healthcare for all people as a right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We cannot ignore those issues. \u00a0So my view is yes, of course, we&#8217;ve got to focus on foreign policy. \u00a0We have to destroy ISIS. \u00a0But I will not stop fighting for working families and the middle class, will not stop taking on a billionaire class whose greed, in many ways, is destroying our economy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, as you head into these early voting states you have to win New Hampshire, your neighboring state. \u00a0You&#8217;re ahead in most polls there. \u00a0Do you feel that the Democratic party, led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is trying to sabotage your campaign and not being an impartial arbiter going into these early fights?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, as you&#8217;ve indicated, there&#8217;s no question but that both Iowa and New Hampshire are enormously important for me or for any other candidate. \u00a0When I began this campaign, Andrea, we were nationally at three, four percent in the polls. \u00a0We were way, way behind in Iowa. \u00a0Way, way behind in New Hampshire.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In New Hampshire I think we may be a little bit ahead. \u00a0In Iowa we&#8217;re closing the gap. \u00a0So in my view we&#8217;ve got a real shot to win Iowa. \u00a0We&#8217;ve got a real shot to win New Hampshire. \u00a0I am going to spending a lot of time in the next four or five weeks in Iowa, in New Hampshire. \u00a0We have a wonderful grassroots organization. \u00a0A lot of volunteers who are knocking on doors. \u00a0And if we can win in Iowa or New Hampshire I think it really does open us up to a path toward victory.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is the DNC giving you a fair shot?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Look, we have had our differences of opinions with the DNC, but at the end of the day the DNC, Hillary Clinton and myself, we want to defeat right wing extremism in this country. \u00a0So we&#8217;re trying to work out our differences of opinions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, Senator, thank you very much and a happy holiday to you and your family. \u00a0Safe travels.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you very much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I&#8217;m joined now by Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the Democratic National Committee. \u00a0Welcome. \u00a0Happy holidays to you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you Andrea, and to you as well.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, first of all, what about Donald Trump and this new attack that he has unleashed on Twitter against Bill Clinton campaigning for Hillary Clinton more actively in January?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My assessment of Donald Trump&#8217;s candidacy is that he&#8217;s been an equal opportunity insulter. \u00a0He has engaged in some of the most vulgar invective and rhetoric and really brought this presidential campaign, its tone and where the debate is on the other side of the aisle, to the lowest steps I&#8217;ve ever seen in a presidential campaign.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So much so that my own daughters, when seeing his commentary on TV, ask me, &#8220;Mom, why is he so rude?&#8221; \u00a0That&#8217;s not what we should strive for in holding up presidential candidates on either side of the aisle. \u00a0We&#8217;re supposed to want our children to emulate at least the leadership and values, even if you don&#8217;t agree with them, of our presidential candidates. \u00a0And unfortunately what&#8217;s going on on the other side of the aisle has taken this to a new low in presidential politics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Does it raise questions as to whether there is some risk involved in unleashing Bill Clinton, as popular a figure as he is in the Democratic party. \u00a0He had his problems in 2008. \u00a0We saw what happened in that campaign. \u00a0But Donald Trump is going to raise this issue, as he is warning, of Bill Clinton&#8217;s past and sexism. \u00a0Does that give you any pause as Democratic chair?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think that Donald Trump or any candidate on the other side of the aisle would raise Bill Clinton as somehow a negative to their peril. \u00a0I think every poll I&#8217;ve ever seen shows that if President Clinton were a candidate tomorrow he&#8217;d be reelected. \u00a0He presided at that time over the longest period of sustained prosperity up to that point. \u00a0Finished his term very popular and continues to be one of the most admired elected officials, and former elected officials, and men in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about sexism in this campaign? \u00a0Donald Trump claims that he was not using a vulgar term when he said that Clinton had been schlonged by Barack Obama in her defeat in 2008.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I would tell you&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Your take on that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;growing up in my house as a little girl, had I used that term or had anyone used that term around my grandmother or my mother, it would certainly have been considered vulgar and would have resulted in a pretty severe punishment as we received anytime we used a term that was inappropriate. \u00a0Donald Trump, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz. \u00a0But the larger issue on the Republican side of the aisle is that all of them subscribe to policies that are harmful to women. \u00a0Whether it&#8217;s defunding Planned Parenthood&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But more to the point of the sexism that has been alleged, the bullying by Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump, because I think he is in a class by himself as far as the way he has responded.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He certainly has taken this to a new low.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is partly what he had to say about Hillary Clinton&#8217;s campaign energy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">She does an event. \u00a0She puts on her pantsuit. \u00a0(LAUGHTER) She walks in. \u00a0No. it\u2019s true. \u00a0She walks in, does an event, you don&#8217;t see her for four days, five days. \u00a0You know why? \u00a0She goes back home and she goes to sleep. \u00a0This is not what we need as a president. \u00a0We need tremendous energy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, this low energy criticism worked against Jeb Bush. \u00a0It really hurt Jeb Bush. \u00a0Is it going to work against Hillary Clinton?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like I said, Donald Trump has been an equal opportunity insulter. \u00a0He&#8217;s insulted and been vulgar about not only Secretary Clinton but Carly Fiorina, Megyn Kelly, even me. \u00a0It&#8217;s really outrageous the depths and how low he has allowed the campaign to sink. \u00a0And the rest of the Republican field, Andrea, is going along with it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why is it working so well for him? \u00a0In head to head hypotheticals he&#8217;s doing so well against Hillary Clinton.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s very simple. \u00a0Why he&#8217;s doing so well in the Republican field is because this is where the Republican party of today is. \u00a0They embrace defunding Planned Parenthood. \u00a0They don&#8217;t believe in equal pay for equal work. \u00a0They don&#8217;t believe that we should make sure that women have an opportunity to make their own healthcare choices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is not where Americans are today. \u00a0Americans are where the Democratic party is. \u00a0Where Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and Martin O&#8217;Malley are, wanting to continue the economic prosperity that we&#8217;ve been able to create, bringing us from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression forward through 69 straight months of job growth. \u00a0And that&#8217;s where we&#8217;re going to continue, because we&#8217;ll elect one of those three candidates as the 45th president of the United States.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We&#8217;re going to have to leave it there, but thank you very much our Democratic party chair.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And after the break, sexism, Islamaphobia. \u00a0Why has the tone of this campaign been so angry, including against the press?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP (ON VIDEO):<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would never kill them. \u00a0But I do hate them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">***COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And welcome back. \u00a0Lots of politics to discuss with the panel. \u00a0Matt Bai, national political columnist for Yahoo! News. \u00a0Helene Cooper, Pentagon correspondent for The New York Times. \u00a0Amy Walter, editor of The Cook Political Report and Michael Gerson, a former chief speechwriter for president George W. Bush and Washington Post columnist now. \u00a0Welcome all. \u00a0Well, Amy Walter, first to you. \u00a0Clearly a truce between Bernie Sanders and Debbie Wassserman Schultz on that. \u00a0But what about Donald Trump going after Hillary Clinton, going after Bill Clinton. \u00a0Does this work for him?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">AMY WALTER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, it has thus far. \u00a0Look, I think Donald Trump has done something unique in this campaign which is he has understood the Republican electorate better than any other of the Republican candidates going in there and he&#8217;s understood the media environment in which he can make these pronouncements.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The problem for Donald Trump, though, is for as well as he is doing currently on the Republican side he continues to make himself less electable in general election. \u00a0You look at where his negatives are, they&#8217;re higher than Hillary Clinton&#8217;s. \u00a0If you look at the match ups between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a general election, he&#8217;s the only Republican candidate losing to Hillary Clinton, in some cases by more than 10 points.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So for as much as this is getting him all the attention that he loves and adores and his getting him the crowds of Republicans, it is pushing him further and further away from the possibility of actually winning a general election.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the same time, Matt Bai, she has had difficulty energizing younger women. \u00a0Millennials. \u00a0Is this attack by Donald Trump going to help her energize the women&#8217;s support that she really needs?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It could. \u00a0I mean Hillary Clinton might be having the luckiest year of any nominee in recent memory. \u00a0She&#8217;s had Bernie Sanders, who is going to wage a real fight in those early states, but I think if you had told her early on he was going to be her only serious opponent at this time in the race she&#8217;d have been pretty happy about that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then theoretically she could draw Donald Trump or even Ted Cruz, who I think do give her a great platform. \u00a0So look, she&#8217;s up against a very difficult historical win, trying to get a third term for her party. \u00a0She would be the oldest nominee, the oldest president taking office we&#8217;ve seen. \u00a0But all of that won&#8217;t matter very much if she&#8217;s just very lucky in who she draws. \u00a0And to this point she&#8217;s looking very lucky.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Helene Cooper, we saw Bernie Sanders, even today, not talking about foreign policy. \u00a0He started our interview talking about climate change, economic disparity. \u00a0His wheelhouse. \u00a0Even after the most recent polls show that he really lost ground in that debate last Saturday night when he failed to respond effectively, according to those polls, on foreign policy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HELENE COOPER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That&#8217;s absolutely true. \u00a0And I think that he&#8217;s just not that comfortable there. \u00a0He doesn&#8217;t really want to talk about it. \u00a0You see him, and you see many of the Republican candidates as well when it comes to foreign policy, they repeat the same talking points. \u00a0And they say that we need a coalition. \u00a0A lot of the things that they say that we should be doing are things I would add that the administration is already doing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So just watching them, and I felt that way as well with the Republican debate, the last Republican debate, when these guys are talking they&#8217;re coming out with these phrases that are designed to make them seem as if they&#8217;re being strong, but when you look behind sort of the rhetoric and there&#8217;s not much there. \u00a0When you ask for specifics, as you did, you didn&#8217;t hear a lot coming back.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And of course we are so disliked, we the media, collectively, are so disliked&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(LAUGHTER)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speak for yourself Andrea.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well I\u2019ll speak for all of us on this point. \u00a0Donald Trump certainly made this clear, and he does this at his rallies, to the real discomfort of a lot of the reporters covering it. \u00a0Let&#8217;s watch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would never kill them. \u00a0I would never do that. \u00a0Let&#8217;s see. \u00a0No. \u00a0No, I wouldn&#8217;t. \u00a0I would never kill them. \u00a0But I do hate them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Have you ever seen Donald Trump and the Drunk Uncle on Saturday Night Live Weekend Update together? \u00a0That was a pretty good imitation. \u00a0But Michael Gerson, to the serious point of the level of invective, I haven&#8217;t seen this, frankly, since the George Wallace campaign where attacks on the media at rallies really were one of the signature effects.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, it&#8217;s important we realize what context this was in. \u00a0He was praising Vladimir Putin, who is someone who has imprisoned and killed journalists. \u00a0And this is where we need to make the distinction between the ridiculous and the dangerous.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a man now flirting with authoritarianism. \u00a0Praising the leadership style of Vladimir Putin. \u00a0So is this a rhetoric? \u00a0He has extreme policies. \u00a0And now he&#8217;s praising a leadership style that really flirts with authoritarianism. \u00a0This is a serious, serious matter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But of course it is working and, Matt Bai, you wrote memorably this week why. \u00a0That we are somewhat to blame. \u00a0In fact you wrote, &#8220;It&#8217;s clear now that Trump&#8217;s enduring popularity is in no small part a reflection of an acid disdain for us. \u00a0This is a simmering reaction to smugness and shallowness in the media, a parade of glib punditry unmoored to any sense of history or personal experience. \u00a0It&#8217;s about our love of gaffes and scandals, real or imagined, and our rigid enforcement of the politically correct.&#8221; \u00a0Discuss.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, I&#8217;ve heard some discussion. \u00a0Look, I&#8217;ve made this point. \u00a0It&#8217;s not always popular. \u00a0We treat presidential politics and politics in general like a reality show and we have for years. \u00a0I mean if you&#8217;ve been following the media in this campaign we set up NCAA brackets to match the seeds in the campaign. \u00a0We order up every kind of garbage poll you can find. \u00a0We literally treat our candidates as contestants on a game show to be voted off or vote on.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think there&#8217;s a cost for that and the cost is that you set up a platform where someone like a Donald Trump can come and exploit it very handily, because he is the perfect reality show candidate. \u00a0And I think at this point there is this symbiosis with the media and Trump.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think at this point he has to be covered to the extent that he is because he is clearly leading, late in the campaign in the polls. \u00a0But there&#8217;s a long period in this campaign where I think we exaggerated his support because it brought ratings and it brought clicks and it was the great shiny story of the campaign. \u00a0And I think we did a great disservice to the country.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let&#8217;s leave that here for a moment. \u00a0We&#8217;ll be back. \u00a0And when we come back the war against ISIS and the major foreign policy challenges facing the next president. \u00a0Which candidate is best qualified to be commander-in-chief?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">***COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And welcome back. \u00a0From Beijing to Baghdad, America is confronting incredible challenges on a scale not seen since the days immediately after 9\/11. \u00a0After the Paris and San Bernardino terror attacks which candidate should be trusted to sit in the Oval Office? \u00a0It&#8217;s a big question for voters in 2016.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL :<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The commander-in-chief test. \u00a0Which candidate will be able to handle crises around the world and terror threats here at home? \u00a0In Afghanistan, America&#8217;s longest war. \u00a0Just this past week the worst U.S. troop losses in three years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">PRES. BARACK OBAMA :<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s still dangerous, as we saw this past week. \u00a0We had some outstanding brave men and women who were killed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL :<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In Iraq, Sunnis and Shiites struggle for power, Syria is in shambles and ISIS is on the march from Iraq and Syria to Libya, Afghanistan and beyond. \u00a0Who can defeat the terror groups? \u00a0Donald Trump says let Vladimir Putin do it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">If Russia wants to bomb them, let them bomb them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it&#8217;s Putin, along with Iran who has kept Syria&#8217;s brutal dictator, Bashar al-Assad, in power.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HILLARY CLINTON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Russia and Iran have to face the facts that continuing to prop up a vicious dictator will not bring stability. \u00a0Right now I&#8217;m afraid President Putin is actually making things somewhat worse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Unlike Obama, Hillary Clinton has called for a no fly zone over Syria.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HILLARY CLINTON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the reasons why I have advocated for a no \u00a0fly zone is in order to create those safe refuges within Syria.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But with Putin now flying air strikes over Syria, even she now acknowledges this is more complicated. \u00a0Experts warn the U.S. could find itself in a dogfight with Russian fighter jets.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL LEITER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Russia&#8217;s planes are flying combat missions. \u00a0You have advanced Russian weapons systems. \u00a0That means our ability to operate is that much less.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of this as the Syrian conflict produces a flood of refugees overwhelming Europe and becoming an explosive campaign issue at home.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. TED CRUZ:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">President Obama and Hillary Clinton&#8217;s proposal to bring into America tens of thousands of Syrian Muslims is nothing short of lunacy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And now one dissenting Republican voice has been forced to drop out.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Donald Trump has done the one single thing you cannot do. \u00a0Declare war on Islam itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I&#8217;m joined now from Palo Alto by Michael McFaul, former ambassador to Russia under President Obama, and here in our studio, Wendy Sherman, who recently stepped down as under secretary of political affairs at the State Department. \u00a0Wendy Sherman, how is this anti-Muslim rhetoric having an impact on our foreign policy and our relationships with allies?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WENDY SHERMAN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s incredibly dangerous, Andrea. \u00a0This kind of Islamophobia is really playing right into the recruitment by the jihadis of people from all over the world. \u00a0It is alienating the very people that we need to be working with us. \u00a0This has to be led by the Muslim world, this effort to defeat ISIS. \u00a0The United States is an important partner in that effort, but we cannot do it alone. \u00a0We should not do it alone. \u00a0And indeed this kind of rhetoric is only pushing people away from us when we need them the very most.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And Mike McFaul, one of the leading rebel leaders in Syria was killed, reportedly by Russian strikes, indicating to some that Vladimir Putin is playing both sides and really disrupting the peace process that would be critical to any successful fight against ISIS, the peace process that was just being launched to try to negotiate an exit strategy for Assad. \u00a0What role is Vladimir Putin playing with his surprising entry in September into the Middle East crisis and his airstrikes in Syria?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MIKE MCFAUL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, let&#8217;s be clear. \u00a0The reason why he went into Syria was to support Assad. \u00a0He made that very clear. \u00a0He said that to his own people. \u00a0He has to justify why he did this military intervention. \u00a0It was to support Assad. \u00a0And first and foremost, that has meant attacking those that we support. \u00a0Now, over the last couple of weeks there&#8217;s been some signs that he might attack ISIS, but as you just reported they are still going after those that we think need to be part of the solution in terms of a political transition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Which raises the point about the wisdom of Donald Trump and what he has had to say, embracing Vladimir Putin. \u00a0Let me play that for both of you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">DONALD TRUMP:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">At least he&#8217;s a leader, unlike what we have in this country. \u00a0I&#8217;ve always felt fine about Putin. \u00a0I think that he&#8217;s a strong leader and he&#8217;s a powerful leader. \u00a0He&#8217;s represented his country. \u00a0That&#8217;s the way the country is being represented. \u00a0And he&#8217;s actually got popularity within his country. \u00a0They respect him as a leader.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mike McFaul, first to you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MIKE MCFAUL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There&#8217;s so many things that are wrong with that statement on so many different levels. \u00a0First of all, Vladimir Putin does only things that are in Russia&#8217;s national interest. \u00a0So for him to be endorsing Mr. Trump, that&#8217;s because he thinks it&#8217;s in Russia&#8217;s national interest for Mr. Trump to be the leader in the United States.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Second, you didn&#8217;t play it in your clip, but the part I found most reprehensible when responding to that question on Morning Joe was the moral equivalency between what the United States does abroad in terms of our armed forces and what Putin does domestically. \u00a0Trump basically said that what soldiers in Afghanistan are doing and pilots in Syria are doing is the same thing as those that kill journalists in Russia. \u00a0That is not in America&#8217;s national interest.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, both of you have served in this administration. \u00a0Wendy Sherman, you served in the prior one as well. \u00a0Chuck Hagel, the former Defense Secretary, had some sharp criticism in Foreign Policy Magazine of this administration, saying in a piece headline, &#8220;The White House tried to \u2018destroy\u2019 me.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8220;Whether it was the right decision or not,&#8221; and here he&#8217;s referring to the decision not to go against Assad after Assad had crossed the red line that President Obama announced on the use of chemical weapons. \u00a0&#8220;Whether it was the right decision or not, history will determine, but there&#8217;s no question in my mind that it hurt the credibility of the president&#8217;s word when this occurred. \u00a0A president&#8217;s word is a big thing. \u00a0And when the president says things, that&#8217;s a big deal.&#8221; \u00a0Did the president hurt his leverage overseas, especially in the Persian Gulf with Arab leaders, by not using force against Assad back in 2013?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WENDY SHERMAN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I think what we have to look back to 2013 is to see that in fact what the president did, working with Secretary Kerry, and I was part of that effort as well&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, but chemical&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WENDY SHERMAN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;was to get chemical weapons out of Syria, which was very critical. \u00a0Because if we had the situation now where Assad had chemical weapons we would have an even more dire circumstance. \u00a0But I think the point today, Andrea, is that we have to be, as actually Secretary Clinton has said about resolve, not about fear.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That&#8217;s what America&#8217;s about. \u00a0And the president and, quite frankly, the Democratic candidates, have talked about a multi-pronged strategy. \u00a0Not just slogans. \u00a0Slogans are not a strategy. \u00a0But a multi-pronged strategy that not only defeats ISIL but stops recruitment, stops financing of ISIL. \u00a0Make sure that we take care of this not only for the immediate, but for the long-term as well. \u00a0And that&#8217;s what we have to be focused on. \u00a0America matters in the world. \u00a0Our leadership matters in the world. \u00a0And we see that every single day.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But, Mike McFaul, ISIS or ISIL is spreading. \u00a0They&#8217;re now, in fact, putting down roots in Kenya and Nigeria. \u00a0In Afghanistan. \u00a0Spreading their message of hate and terror, even though they may be losing some ground short-term Iraq and in Syria. \u00a0So what is the solution to this?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MIKE MCFAUL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The solution is a multi-pronged long-term strategy, as Wendy just alluded to. \u00a0And it&#8217;s not going to be easy. \u00a0It&#8217;s not going to be a slogan. \u00a0I do think the administration has undersold its policy, as the president hinted at a couple weeks ago. \u00a0I just want to remind your viewers, when I hear candidates say, &#8220;The United States is doing nothing to fight ISIS,&#8221; there have actually been 9,000 attacks against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. \u00a0We&#8217;ve spent over $5 billion already in that theater alone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But nobody believes that there&#8217;s going to be a victory over ISIS through an air campaign. \u00a0And that&#8217;s why we need to have the multi-pronged strategy, including our Muslim allies. \u00a0Because at the end of the day it&#8217;s going to be Muslim soldiers in Iraq and in Syria that are going to ultimately defeat ISIS. \u00a0It won&#8217;t be the United States alone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mike McFaul, Wendy Sherman, thank you both so much. \u00a0We have to leave it there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">WENDY SHERMAN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you, Andrea.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And happy holidays, happy New Year to you both. \u00a0And coming up next, Spike Lee on his controversial movie, Chi-Raq, and the conversations he wants his film to inspire.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want people to think about guns. \u00a0That&#8217;s the takeaway from this film.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">***COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And welcome back. \u00a0The holiday season gives us many reasons to celebrate, but we also want to take a moment to reflect and to remember those in political life and the media who we&#8217;ve lost this past year.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">FMR SEN. FRED THOMPSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Are you aware of any devices that were installed in the Executive Office building of the President?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">FMR. GOV. MARIO CUOMO:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This nation is more a tale of two cities, than it is just a shining city on a hill.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">BOB SIMON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There\u2019s a big war going on in Vietnam and the people in Panjang Province know all about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SARAH BRADY:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">All it took was one gun, one bullet, and one man who should never have owned a gun.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">JULIAN BOND:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The right to free speech, the right to dissent, the right to voice an opinion may be unpopular, but I think a second and equally important issue is the right of people in this case my constituents, to be represented by someone they chose.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">TIM RUSSERT:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yogi, we are out of time, I think this program is just about over<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">YOGI BERRA:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, it ain\u2019t over til it\u2019s over.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">BEAU BIDEN:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I have something to ask of you. Be there for my dad like he was for me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE) <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">***COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome back. Spike Lee\u2019s new movie Chi-raq has been called everything from \u201c&#8230; a collage of provocation and fury\u2026\u201d to \u201c&#8230; a shattering, thunderous wake-up alarm\u2026\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The warning bell he is trying to ring is one about guns in America. And while Pew Research Center says gun violence has declined since the 1990s, the backdrop to the senseless violence depicted in Lee\u2019s film is the city of Chicago, where according to The Chicago Tribune, there have been almost 3,000 shooting victims this year alone. Including a police sghooting that left two people dead Saturday morning.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it\u2019s not just police shootings that Spike Lee wanted to draw attention to when he sat down with Chuck to talk about his movie. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who&#8217;s the audience for this movie?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everybody.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, it&#8217;s interesting you say that&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I say everybody. \u00a0You know why?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because I get asked many times, I&#8217;ve been making films since 1986. \u00a0And we do press for the film, the one question that the filmmaker\u2019s always going to get is, &#8220;What is the take&#8211; what is the takeaway? \u00a0What do you want people thinking come out of the theater?&#8221; \u00a0Usually I say I&#8217;m not answering that question.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You just took one of my questions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;I don&#8217;t answer that question. \u00a0But I&#8217;m jettisoned for this film. \u00a0I want people to think about guns. \u00a0That&#8217;s the takeaway for this film. \u00a0Eighty-eight Americans die every day due to gun violence. \u00a0That adds up to 32,000 per year. \u00a0And that is not just the hood. \u00a0It&#8217;s not just Chi-raq. \u00a0It&#8217;s not just Killadelphia, or where I&#8217;m from Bucktown Brooklyn, New York or the Bronx or the South Side, or excuse me, south central L.A. \u00a0It affects rural areas. \u00a0It affects everybody.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems, though, you&#8217;re trying to send a message to black America with this movie&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;this is not&#8211; and&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8211; I&#8211; I&#8211; I disagree&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;and&#8211; no? \u00a0Okay.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;I disagree. \u00a0I think that guns&#8211; what&#8217;d I just say? \u00a0Guns affect everybody&#8211; and not just in the hood.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But you seem to be sending the message that it&#8217;s gonna take black Americans to stop this. \u00a0Don&#8217;t rely on&#8211; this is not absolutely public policy, it&#8217;s not about&#8211; it seems as if take control of this&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I wouldn&#8217;t&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;to&#8211; you know&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;go so far as to say that, but I do think that I want to speak in this film upon black on black violence that it&#8217;s not always policemen. \u00a0You know, it wasn&#8217;t a cop who killed, that executed Tyshawn Lee, the nine-year-old boy who was lured into the alleyway in Chicago, South Side. \u00a0So I think that. to me I don&#8217;t&#8211; the complexion, the color or the trigger finger, the trigger finger does not matter to me. \u00a0If you killed somebody, you killed somebody, no matter who you are.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">When you make a movie, you spend a lot of time studying, trying to figure this out. \u00a0Why is&#8211; why is Chicago&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I still can\u2019t tell you&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Things are&#8211;we are&#8211; things are better. \u00a0I grew up in Miami. \u00a0Things are better in Overtown. \u00a0South central L.A. isn&#8217;t what south central was 25 years ago&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, but you gotta&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;I&#8217;m not saying&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;you know what? \u00a0One thing, though, you gotta&#8211; crack was a big part of all this stuff. The crack epidemic is hopefully&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is finally but&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;I know what you&#8217;re talking about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;look&#8211; yeah, we have gone through southeast Washington D.C.&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dodge&#8211; D.C.&#8211; Dodge City.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">&#8211;all of these&#8211; right. \u00a0These&#8211; these areas are not what they were 25 years ago. \u00a0Yet here we are with Chicago. \u00a0What did you&#8211; you say you still can&#8217;t figure it out. \u00a0Why?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everybody asks. \u00a0I mean, no one has one answer. \u00a0You know, the spiritual advisor of this film is the great Michael Pfleger. \u00a0He can&#8217;t give me a definitive answer. \u00a0And I mean, I think&#8211; I think part of it has to do with&#8211; Chicago is America&#8217;s biggest segregated city. \u00a0And I think that has to do a lot with it. \u00a0And people are just thrown to one side in town and left to their own devices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just by calling it Chi-raq, you&#8217;re saying it&#8217;s a war zone. \u00a0Did you feel like it was a war zone when you were walking these neighborhoods?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No. Because the police were around us. \u00a0But my first day of pre-production, one of my&#8211; I had to go to a funeral because one of my guys got shot down and murdered. \u00a0The first day of pre-production I was at a funeral. And while we were filming, I said to this boy, &#8220;Excuse me, it&#8217;s redundant. \u00a0People heard me talk on this film.\u201d June 1st was the first day of filming, July 9th was the last day. \u00a0During that time, 331 people got wounded and shot. \u00a0Sixty-five got murdered from June 1st to July 9th. \u00a0And it&#8217;s escalated since then.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why do you think there isn&#8217;t this sense of outrage about what&#8217;s happening in Chicago? \u00a0Are we numb?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It\u2019s not Sandy Hook.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is it numb?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s not Sandy Hook.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But we get outraged when there&#8217;s an event, when there&#8217;s one big event, whether it&#8217;s in Charleston, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino. \u00a0This is every day. \u00a0Why don&#8217;t we have this same&#8211; why do you feel like there&#8217;s not this same&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m just&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is it us in the media? \u00a0Is it politicians? \u00a0Who is it?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, Obama said it himself. \u00a0You know, people are numb. \u00a0He&#8217;s tired of giving these speeches after every mass shootings. \u00a0And that&#8217;s why I said the takeaway I hope people take away from this film is guns.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I heard you answer a question about the Black Lives Matter movement. \u00a0And it was interesting what you had to say. \u00a0It was you were talking about it, talking about its success. \u00a0And then you were, like, but&#8211; and there seemed to be&#8211; I didn&#8217;t know if you were critiquing on a generational grounds. \u00a0What would be your advice to the Black Lives Matter movement?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think they should keep doing it. \u00a0They&#8217;re doing a great job. \u00a0I mean, I was&#8211; I was out here protesting behind Eric Garner. \u00a0I took my son to Mike Brown&#8217;s funeral. \u00a0We&#8211; we were in the first pew facing the casket. \u00a0But for me, trying to be the best person I&#8217;d be, a moral person, I cannot just scream, &#8220;Cops are killing us, cops are killing us. \u00a0They&#8217;re shooting us down in the streets,&#8221; and then you have a case like Tyshawn Lee, I&#8217;m like&#8211;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don&#8217;t put blinders on?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can&#8217;t do it. \u00a0I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re doing it. \u00a0I&#8217;m saying I can&#8217;t do it. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about President Obama? \u00a0Here&#8217;s a guy who lived in the South Side of Chicago, calls himself the South Side. What a lot of his conservative critics, whenever he would speak out about a mass shooting, they come back with, &#8220;What about Chicago? \u00a0What about Chicago?&#8221; \u00a0Is there a role he can play in this? \u00a0And if so, what is it?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know what? \u00a0You gotta ask him that next time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">CHUCK TODD:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Would you like him to play more of a role in this?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">SPIKE LEE:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I want anybody that can do anything to help people being murdered anywhere in the United States of America, not just Chicago. \u00a0Again, I know I sound like a broken record. \u00a0Eighty-eight Americans die every day due to gun violence, and not just in the hoods <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And you can see a longer version of Chuck\u2019s interview on our website, MeetThePressNBC.com. And don\u2019t go anywhere because we\u2019ll be back in less than a minute with End Game, and the panel will look ahead to 2016 and the one question dominating the Republican contest, will anyone stop Donald Trump?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">***COMMERCIAL BREAK***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it&#8217;s End Game time and the panel is here to look ahead to the political year ahead. \u00a0We&#8217;ll start with that man again, Donald Trump. \u00a0Michael Gerson, who&#8217;s going to stop him?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I think there are two big questions right now that Republicans are asking. \u00a0One of them is do Donald Trump&#8217;s poll numbers translate into actual voters and caucus goers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Especially in Iowa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. \u00a0His voters traditionally don&#8217;t vote very well. \u00a0The other question is who will occupy the establishment lane in this election, because that&#8217;s the one that&#8217;s produced that candidates recently here. \u00a0But right now there are at least four candidates who are contending for that. \u00a0Marco Rubio and Christie and Bush and Kasich, three of those are doing fairly well in New Hampshire. \u00a0The establishment needs one person to unite and solidify this kind of support if they&#8217;re going to make a run against Cruz and Trump.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And Chris Christie is really showing strength by sticking to New Hampshire. \u00a0And he is really blocking Rubio from gaining any traction up there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">AMY WALTER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would argue two things. \u00a0One, on the establishment front fundamentally the establishment candidate isn&#8217;t going to win if they label themselves the establishment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That&#8217;s true. 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\u00a0Of what happened in Libya after the collapse. \u00a0What happened in Egypt. \u00a0Does she have to carry the weight of some of the failed Obama policies on her shoulders?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HELENE COOPER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think she absolutely does, but I think from what I&#8217;ve seen so far I think if she cannot articulate her foreign policy stance after four years as secretary of State, then maybe she shouldn&#8217;t be president. \u00a0I don&#8217;t really worry about her there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, with all of this doom and gloom and the terror attacks, let&#8217;s at least think that there have been a few funny things that have happened along the campaign trail. \u00a0Let&#8217;s watch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(BEGIN TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">LARRY DAVID:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I own one pair of underwear. \u00a0That&#8217;s it. \u00a0Some of these billionaires, they got three, four pairs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">BERNIE SANDERS:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes, last week I bought my second pair of underwear. \u00a0That&#8217;s a joke.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">LARRY DAVID:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So who do you want as president? \u00a0One of these Washington insiders or a guy who has one pair of clean underwear that he dries on a radiator?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(END TAPE)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, which is Bernie Sanders and which is Larry David? \u00a0I can&#8217;t get them straight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I actually think, just judging from my kids and the videos they&#8217;re watching, I think Larry David did more for Bernie Sanders in humanizing him and making him a sort of fully fledged, breathing figure in politics than he&#8217;s done for himself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Marco Rubio throwing the football just tells us, and of course the American eagle in Donald Trump&#8217;s hair, that be wary of the photo op that can go terribly wrong.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">AMY WALTER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. \u00a0And the best part about this campaign is none of us could have made half of this up. \u00a0If you had just told us, any of us, where we would be at the end of 2015, not believable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, and I think we&#8217;ll be in a different place.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">AMY WALTER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In 60 days we&#8217;ll be in a very different place than where we are right now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">AMY WALTER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HELENE COOPER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Three weeks from now. I mean I&#8217;m ready for this thing to start.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And things do break late in these. \u00a0You have to understand, national polling doesn&#8217;t matter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MATT BAI:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not at all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">State polling matters, but things break late.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But what we saw of course last time is with Hillary Clinton versus Obama in New Hampshire, that it all broke in the last 48 hours.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">HELENE COOPER:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. \u00a0After how many years now have we been covering this campaign? \u00a0It feels like four. \u00a0I am so ready for actual voting to begin, because I&#8217;m really curious about just whether these people who&#8217;ve been polled are going to show up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">MICHAEL GERSON:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And is Trump real.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">ANDREA MITCHELL:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. 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